Apache Crash in Afghanistan - "Return to target" maneuver

[Jimbo.]

Oakey said:

Good to know they fly in real life like most of us do in BF3

He didn't jump out and hit the C4 trigger though. Disappointed

[eccles]

mrmr96 said:

eccles said:

I think the flying tank thing is more to do with fire power than structural strength. Apart from a bit of armour around the crew and a few vital bits the Apache isn't an especially strong airframe and is purposely made of thin metal to let bullets pass through it instead of bouncing around inside.

"...to let bullets pass through". Doesn't sound like a very good design IMO - bullets should be kept out shirly?

Sounds like a very good design to me. Helicopters like the Lynx and Huey have a relatively thick skin, so the bullet goes in one side then bounces around inside doing all sorts of damage to people and equipment. Much better to protect the things that need protecting and have a thin skin so the bullet passes right through.

[Siko]

Most helicoptes have aluminium skin (or composites) for weight reasons alone, nothing to do with protection. As alluded to, attack helicoptershave armour but it tends to be around vital areas. If they made the whole thing of armour it wouldn't get airborne!

[kremlingazette]

That Apache is scrap value only.


The turn is about converting flat and level speed for height, nose goes up, height goes up, speed decays and as it slows off, bootfull of rudder and round it goes. Now nose down, converting height and low speed for rapid forward flight and hopefully a 180deg turn, and fly away at speed.


What he did was show off badly, converted speed for height, great ! But he wasnt high enough to fly away.


He bellied into terra firma, clipped the tail rotor, and lifted briefly. Then watch it go like a corkscrew when it lifts again. No tail rotor = No control.

pilot got it wrong showing off.



Ps in a tight turn, Im not talking commercial tight turn, I mean cracking it round military style, the g force puts you on your seat. With the door back and the cab on its side pulling round hard, you sit and enjoy the view. You couldnt get off your step/seat if two people pulled you up.



Anyway , what would i know

[Fat Albert]

kremlingazette said:

The turn is about converting flat and level speed for height, nose goes up, height goes up, speed decays and as it slows off, bootfull of rudder and round it goes. Now nose down, converting height and low speed for rapid forward flight and hopefully a 180deg turn, and fly away at speed.


What he did was show off badly, converted speed for height, great ! But he wasnt high enough to fly away.

Agree, that's why we always had a 50' entry height

kremlingazette said:

Ps in a tight turn, Im not talking commercial tight turn, I mean cracking it round military style, the g force puts you on your seat. With the door back and the cab on its side pulling round hard, you sit and enjoy the view. You couldnt get off your step/seat if two people pulled you up.



Anyway , what would i know

Yes in a steep turn I would agree, I usually pull 2g in a 60 degree turn and found that I start greying out at around 4.5g when I tried a max-rate turn - pulling to the buffet- in a Bulldog

In a well-execute Wingover however you should remain at around 1g if everything is in balance, even in a harsh one (60/60), the only G will be during the pull-out as you exit the maneuvre (Obviously that Apache experienced much more G than he expected....)

Edited by Fat Albert on Tuesday 27th March 22:56

[Oakey]

I'm sure there are people on PH who think this is exactly how Prince Harry learnt to fly Apaches until he got it right.

Like he just kept binning them one after another until he nailed it