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The Boy Lard
404 posts
92 months
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Flew quite a lot when I was younger (8 to 16) and used to draw a picture of the plane for the pilot. This generally resulted an invite 'up front' to the jump seat. Best flight was the whole way Auckland to Wellington in the jump seat, right up to final approach. Past Mt Taranaki etc. amazing. Air New Zealand 737-200 Also had the pilot let me turn the autopilot dial around a thunder cloud and back again on an Air New Zealand 767 between Auckland and Tahiti. Flew on an Aeroflot Tu-154 from Heathrow to St Petersburg and it was a bit like a 'clown plane'. It didn't have overhead lockers but a shelf like a coach, I put my bag on the shelf and the lights / air con bit fell down and ended up dangling by a wire  - my friends and I just tried to clip it back in, but it fell down again on take off. Flight was uneventful until landing when ALL the seat backs of empty seats (maybe half the plane) all fell forward like dominoes - not good! 'Cash for Business Class' upgrade in a Cubana rented 747 was another strange one...
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SVX
1,497 posts
80 months
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The Boy Lard said: Flew on an Aeroflot Tu-154 from Heathrow to St Petersburg and it was a bit like a 'clown plane'. It didn't have overhead lockers but a shelf like a coach, I put my bag on the shelf and the lights / air con bit fell down and ended up dangling by a wire  - my friends and I just tried to clip it back in, but it fell down again on take off. Flight was uneventful until landing when ALL the seat backs of empty seats (maybe half the plane) all fell forward like dominoes - not good! I know what you mean! Interflug, who I flew on a Tup 154 with, used to buy their aircraft second hand from Aeroflot. One careful owner tovarisch 
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WhereamI
6,094 posts
86 months
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dvs_dave said: ETOPS said: A Biz class seat on a decent carrier is fully flat, comes with a proper quilt, perhaps even a matress pad and is as comfy as a 'normal' bed, like what we have. If you require extra luxury, then try first. But it appears to be in its own fully enclosed private cabin so looks to provide much more personal space than any passenger has access to. This is what I was getting at with regards comfort and a proper bed(room). Etihad First Class gives you your own little cabin with a decent amount of space and really nice (for inside an aircraft) bed. 
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HeatonNorris
1,649 posts
17 months
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I think that explains why Etihad have never made any profits! - how can you when you're giving that much space to 1st class passengers?
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dvs_dave
3,574 posts
94 months
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It's still not a fully enclosed cabin though. More like a posh cubicle. Is there some sort of regulation preventing full height walls/enclosures and cabins on a plane? 
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King Herald
18,340 posts
85 months
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Sitting in Brazoria County Airport, Texas, last week, waiting for the weather to clear so we could catch the chopper out to our ship. We went for lunch to the Windsock restaurant, which fronts directly onto a taxi way. We're sat there eating our chicken fried chicken, and a rather large twin engined private jet lands. It then taxis over, stops right in front of the restaurant, pilot jumps out, runs in, grabs a plastic bag with a couple of meals in, jumps back into his jet, and takes off again. Takeaway lunch: $20 Aviation fuel: $2000 Watching this happen: Priceless.  Quite interesting also, as this is parked in the back of the hanger where we take the choppers from: 
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ETOPS
1,636 posts
67 months
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dvs_dave said: It's still not a fully enclosed cabin though. More like a posh cubicle. Is there some sort of regulation preventing full height walls/enclosures and cabins on a plane?  Singapores A380 upper first has higher walls, but alas, it's just a posh cubicle, too. There are a raft of reasons for this; the fact that aircraft furnishings move around relative to each other, and the fuselage has an element of flex, any fore-aft fixture which goes from floor to ceiling will move around,bend and creek no end. Given that on SIA's upper first, the walls are high enough for you to have some control over the lighting settings in your suite, I can't see how it would be more comfortable to be 'more enclosed'. There's also additional weight, the need for passengers to be easily checked upon, undoubtedly a load of boring evacuation/elf n safety.... The 777 crew rest bunks are 'enclosed' because they are above the passenger cabin, with the mattresses about 2 ft from the ceiling. Lovely as they are compared toother aircrafts crew facilities, you'd rather be in first! May I suggest a private jet?! In all seriousness, though, as wonderful as some of these new first class suites are, the design of the more innovative premium airline business class seats will offer nigh-on the same levels of sleep comfort. They can be extremely clever, in how they provide privacy and comfort, particularly when reclined. I don't frequent first class, but when I do, I find myself no better rested than in a decent biz seat. Sure, the service and food are a notch up, and you'll get some snazzy PJs out of it, but really, at what cost?!
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WhereamI
6,094 posts
86 months
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The pictures are a little misleading, when you are inside one you can't see people walking past and they can't see you, the only way anyone can see in is to come right up to the wall and look over so you do actually feel like it's very private.
But having said that I agree it's not worth the money and do wonder who pays for them. When I fly Etihad it's probably 50:50 whether I get upgraded to First either on the way out or back so you wonder whether it's more of an overflow for business. The cubicle is nice but then so is the business class seat, you get a few little things extra but the 'personal chef' thing is a bit weird and I don't think it's really much better than business.
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King Herald
18,340 posts
85 months
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WhereamI said: The pictures are a little misleading, when you are inside one you can't see people walking past and they can't see you, the only way anyone can see in is to come right up to the wall and look over so you do actually feel like it's very private.
But having said that I agree it's not worth the money and do wonder who pays for them. When I fly Etihad it's probably 50:50 whether I get upgraded to First either on the way out or back so you wonder whether it's more of an overflow for business. The cubicle is nice but then so is the business class seat, you get a few little things extra but the 'personal chef' thing is a bit weird and I don't think it's really much better than business. Couple of years back I checked an on-line website for flights UK to New York, at Xmas. I clicked the 'prices - high to low' button. Highest price was £17,000 on British Airways!!!!!! I have NO idea what you got for your money, but I'd hope for one of them private cubicles shown above, plus pickup at home in a limo, plus free sex with any hostess you wanted, free drinks, gourmet food etc etc etc.
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HoHoHo
8,327 posts
119 months
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Not sure they do gourmet food on BA 
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crofty1984
9,876 posts
73 months
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dvs_dave said: It's still not a fully enclosed cabin though. More like a posh cubicle. Is there some sort of regulation preventing full height walls/enclosures and cabins on a plane?  Ah, I've had one of those seats. Of course, being a short-arse I could stretch flat. My colleague at 6ft 9in wasn't so lucky!
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dvs_dave
3,574 posts
94 months
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ETOPS said: May I suggest a private jet?! Well I'm having trouble justifying the G6 at the mo so was wondering about acceptable alternatives. But it is nice..... 
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shunaphil
254 posts
12 months
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Many years ago (well before 9/11) I was bparding an internal flight at Inverness airport, and just threw on my work coat before leaving for the airport. The day before I had been doing some fencing, and in the pockets I had some large fencing staples, a couple of nails and some pliers.
They showed up at security, and I explained why they were there. I was allowed on the plane with them still in my pocket......
Try that nowadays!
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Chuck328
511 posts
36 months
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shunaphil said: Many years ago (well before 9/11) I was bparding an internal flight at Inverness airport, and just threw on my work coat before leaving for the airport. The day before I had been doing some fencing, and in the pockets I had some large fencing staples, a couple of nails and some pliers.
They showed up at security, and I explained why they were there. I was allowed on the plane with them still in my pocket......
Try that nowadays! Indeed. Your pilot can't even take a yoghurt through airport security these days. "Oh that's deemed a 'security' risk" Despite the fact I have an effin AXE stored behind my seat. Sorry for the thread drift, just another airborne drivers rant (poor by PH standards, not enough profanity you see...)
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davepoth
19,903 posts
68 months
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Chuck328 said: Indeed.
Your pilot can't even take a yoghurt through airport security these days.
"Oh that's deemed a 'security' risk"
Despite the fact I have an effin AXE stored behind my seat.
Sorry for the thread drift, just another airborne drivers rant (poor by PH standards, not enough profanity you see...) So somehow the pilot can cause a hijack risk? I think I'll just walk next time. 
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Ginetta G15 Girl
1,134 posts
53 months
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Chuck328 said: Indeed.
Your pilot can't even take a yoghurt through airport security these days. A number of years ago, after landing my a/c at Newcastle (and having been for lunch in the Terminal) we attempted to get back 'air side' and were told that our aircrew knives (a part of RAF survival equipment that was an integral attached part to our flying suits) precluded us going out to our a/c because they were 'offensive weapons'! 
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thehawk
8,386 posts
76 months
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Chuck328 said: Indeed.
Your pilot can't even take a yoghurt through airport security these days.
"Oh that's deemed a 'security' risk"
Despite the fact I have an effin AXE stored behind my seat.
Sorry for the thread drift, just another airborne drivers rant (poor by PH standards, not enough profanity you see...) But surely the risk is obvious, that pilots could take weapons through security and then pass them onto passengers who board other planes and commit terrorist acts?
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vtgts300kw
397 posts
46 months
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thehawk said: But surely the risk is obvious, that pilots could take weapons through security and then pass them onto passengers who board other planes and commit terrorist acts? But all pilots are saints.
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ETOPS
1,636 posts
67 months
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dvs_dave said: Well I'm having trouble justifying the G6 at the mo so was wondering about acceptable alternatives. But it is nice.....  Y'see.... Peasantry will get you nowhere. I must say, I was fortunate enough to visit a company in France, who are the world leaders in turning airliners into Arab playthings, and some of the equipment being compiled was bloody astonishing. I reckon you could justify it using the age old adage "you can't fly a house". I believe it was Gandhi who said that. Get on with it.
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Hugo a Gogo
15,150 posts
102 months
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Ginetta G15 Girl said: Chuck328 said: Indeed.
Your pilot can't even take a yoghurt through airport security these days. A number of years ago, after landing my a/c at Newcastle (and having been for lunch in the Terminal) we attempted to get back 'air side' and were told that our aircrew knives (a part of RAF survival equipment that was an integral attached part to our flying suits) precluded us going out to our a/c because they were 'offensive weapons'!  I remember reading about soldiers coming back from somewhere sandy through some airport or other being told they couldn't take their penknives - whilst carrying assault rifles
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