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AndyNetwork

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195 months

Tuesday 24th April 2012
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Went to see it fly into MAN last night at about 10.30pm.

very impressed with the lack of noise, but a right royal pain in the arse to find somewhere around the airport to see it from.

Might have another run down there at lunch time and see it come back after it's around Britain tour.

Eric Mc

122,055 posts

266 months

Tuesday 24th April 2012
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Saw it at Farnborough in 2010. It's a very elegant looking aircraft.

R1_NUR

1,087 posts

251 months

Tuesday 24th April 2012
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Hope to be flying this in a year or two!

AndyNetwork

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Tuesday 24th April 2012
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I'm assuming that overnight landing fees are significantly cheaper at Manchester than at Heathrow or Gatwick (or any of the other so called London Airports) as it flew in last night from Heathrow, and flew out again this morning to Gatwick.

It's then coming back to Manchester, and then flying out of the UK tomorrow but departing Manchester for Gatwick again.

ETA: - Looking at the flight it took today, it went to Luton not Gatwick (Looked up of FlightRadar24) and then flew up to the lake district area, before returning to Manchester, and a flyby before circling to land.

Could be it is not going to Gatwick tomorrow, but is just scheduled to leave for Gatwick as per today.

Edited by AndyNetwork on Tuesday 24th April 13:13

miln0039

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159 months

Tuesday 24th April 2012
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I've been watching the development of this aircraft fairly closely in the news over the last few years and think it is very exciting. The 20% cut in fuel economy is great (although more likely to help airline margins than make air travel cheaper for the end user...) - but the promise of 60% quieter is huge.

Does anybody on here know if that 60% is measured from the outside (i.e. quieter for those living in flightpaths) or for those onboard?

I think if it can cut background noise onboard by 60% then it is going to be a much more pleasant product for the end user - but can it REALLY eliminate jet lag?

Intrigued and cannot wait until a few get introduced on to UK routes smile

AndyNetwork

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Tuesday 24th April 2012
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Judging by the amount of noise last night, I'd say the 60% reduction is measured outside.

Eric Mc

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266 months

Tuesday 24th April 2012
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2pad said:
Having just witnessed the fly past at Luton Airport - I can confirm that it was extremly quiet indeed.
Flypasts give no meaningful impression of noise.

What does it sound like on take off and in a max power climb out?

AndyNetwork

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Tuesday 24th April 2012
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2pad said:
Eric Mc said:
Flypasts give no meaningful impression of noise.

What does it sound like on take off and in a max power climb out?
Unfortunatly it did neither of these at Luton, peherps any witness of the Manchester activity could report back on the noise levels...
Wasn't there for take off, but even just taxi-ing last night, at about 200m I'd heard noiser vacuum cleaners!

ccr32

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219 months

Tuesday 24th April 2012
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Is there a list of venues that it is due to visit before it buggers off back to Seattle?

AndyNetwork

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Tuesday 24th April 2012
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ccr32 said:
Is there a list of venues that it is due to visit before it buggers off back to Seattle?
http://www.boeing.co.uk/ViewContent.do?id=71263&Year=2012&aContent=Boeing%20Announces%20Sixth%20Leg%20of%20787%20Dream%20Tour

G600

1,479 posts

188 months

Tuesday 24th April 2012
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2pad said:
Having just witnessed the fly past at Luton Airport - I can confirm that it was extremly quiet indeed.
We all went outside work to see it but were to late, how low was it?

fatboy69

9,373 posts

188 months

Tuesday 24th April 2012
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Any videos or photos as we dont see anything around here apart from the odd hedge-hoping Apache!

Ricepilot

639 posts

227 months

Tuesday 24th April 2012
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It is meant to be at Gatwick tomorrow.

I'm having a look around it. biggrin

mattviatura

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201 months

Tuesday 24th April 2012
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Does anyone know what times it will be leaving and coming back to Manchester?

megy

2,429 posts

215 months

Tuesday 24th April 2012
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Anyone know if it will fly anywhere near East Midlands Airport? If so, any details?

Black9

585 posts

177 months

Tuesday 24th April 2012
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miln0039 said:
The 20% cut in fuel economy is great (although more likely to help airline margins than make air travel cheaper for the end user...)
That's what Boeing hope to achieve, its missed most of its targets and currently about 3% more fuel efficient than a 767, she's a fat overweight bird at the moment!

miln0039

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159 months

Wednesday 25th April 2012
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Black9 said:
That's what Boeing hope to achieve, its missed most of its targets and currently about 3% more fuel efficient than a 767, she's a fat overweight bird at the moment!
Is that right?! Is she the the Prius of the skies?!

Still, I fly on Delta 764s on a regular basis, but if they can deliver on the promises of a 60% quieter ride for the PAX and better travel conditions in terms of humidity, lighting etc I would imagine the Dreamliner will be streets ahead!

ETOPS

3,688 posts

199 months

Wednesday 25th April 2012
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miln0039 said:
Is that right?! Is she the the Prius of the skies?!

Still, I fly on Delta 764s on a regular basis, but if they can deliver on the promises of a 60% quieter ride for the PAX and better travel conditions in terms of humidity, lighting etc I would imagine the Dreamliner will be streets ahead!
Pretty much.

The humidity situation will be a good dose better than existing aircraft, and it will be quieter on the inside - but nowhere close to 60%.

Regarding the efficiency, it is pretty standard for early airframes of a new model to be overweight, underpowered etc. and for missed targets here and there. However, some of the efficiency targets were met in a similar vein to the initial delivery target.

I think, as much as anything, the 787 will prove to be a very good sounding board for future technologies. It made a leap, revealed a whole host of information on new techniques and processes, and this will all be taken forward into future projects. The ultimate aircraft itselft? Well, considering the delays, the lower payloads, the poor missed efficiency targets and the incredible budget cock-ups, I struggle to consider it a success. It will need a huge amount of remedial design before it can claim to be a new leader.

But, being a pilot, I base my real opinion on how it looks. In this case, we have a new champion. Beautiful, it is.

LHRFlightman

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171 months

Wednesday 25th April 2012
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I'm afraid those looking for noise levels will be disappointed. The aircraft is not configured as it will be when carrying pax so any readings obtained wont be representative. When the A380 came to LHR for its proving flight, on departure it was quieter than a 319!

AndyNetwork

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Wednesday 25th April 2012
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mattviatura said:
Does anyone know what times it will be leaving and coming back to Manchester?
Leaves Manchester for the last time at 10:00 today