barn find but in burma underground... 20 spitfires as new.

barn find but in burma underground... 20 spitfires as new.

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ceriw

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Monday 30th April 2012
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April 15, 2012

Lost Squadron Of Pickled Spitfires Found Email this article |Print this article

By Russ Niles, Editor-in-Chief








Aviation historians and warbird enthusiasts are drooling at the discovery of at least 12 and maybe as many 20 perfectly preserved brand-new Spitfire Mark 14s buried in Myanmar, which was formerly Burma. Thanks to the tenacity (and apparently considerable diplomatic skills) of British farmer David Cundall, the lost squadron of pristine fighters was found where they were buried by U.S. troops in 1945 when it became clear they wouldn't be needed in the final days of the Second World War. At least a dozen of the aircraft, one of the latest variants with their 2,035-horsepower Roll Royce Griffon engines replacing the 1,200-1,500-horsepower Merlins in earlier models, were buried without ever being removed from their original packing crates. It's possible another eight were also buried after the war ended. After spending 15 years and $200,000 of his own money, Cundall was rewarded with visual proof of the magnitude of his discovery. "We sent a borehole down and used a camera to look at the crates," he told the Telegraph. "They seemed to be in good condition."



The aircraft were declared surplus when they arrived in Burma because the Japanese were in retreat by then and carrier-based Seafires were getting all the action. They were ordered buried in their original crates, waxed, swaddled in grease paper and their joints tarred against the elements. Cundall found some of the soldiers who buried the planes by placing ads in magazines and was able to narrow down the search before using ground-penetrating radar to confirm the burial site. The next obstacles to recovery are political. Myanmar's former military junta was under a variety of sanctions, among them an international convention that prevented the transfer of military goods to and from the country. Recent political reforms have led to the lifting of that ban effective April 23. Cundall will also need the permission of the new Myanmar government to unearth the treasure. He helped his own cause by making numerous trips to the country and earning the trust of government officials. British Prime Minister David Cameron is expected to seal the deal with Myanmar President Thein Sein during a visit.



better than finding the titanic IMO

simonrockman

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Monday 30th April 2012
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Eric Mc

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266 months

Monday 30th April 2012
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If we count all the threads on PH, that would make at least 80 Spitfires found in Burma smile

Hooli

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201 months

Monday 30th April 2012
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Eric Mc said:
If we count all the threads on PH, that would make at least 80 Spitfires found in Burma smile
We just need Bader back to lead the resulting Bilbo then smile

Eric Mc

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Monday 30th April 2012
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Hooli said:
Eric Mc said:
If we count all the threads on PH, that would make at least 80 Spitfires found in Burma smile
We just need Bader back to lead the resulting Bilbo then smile
I think a Bilbo is something you find in The Lord of the Rings.

I presume you meant "Balbo" smile

Simpo Two

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Monday 30th April 2012
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After some Italian chap, possibly Admiral without consorting to Wiki.




A Bilbo is a formation that looks like a dwarf. Maybe it's a small Balbo after all!

simonrockman

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Monday 30th April 2012
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Eric Mc said:
If we count all the threads on PH, that would make at least 80 Spitfires found in Burma smile
It says there are over 120. It will kill the value of the ones currently flying. How many are there?

Simon

Eric Mc

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Monday 30th April 2012
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120?

Where.

The figure I've read is 20.

Total loss

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228 months

Monday 30th April 2012
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Eric Mc said:
120?

Where.

The figure I've read is 20.
The main possible find is 12-20 at Yandon Int. Airport,
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=Yangon+Internation...
but further evidence is that others were buried at 3/4 more airfields across Burma, possible total 80-120.

Total loss

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Monday 30th April 2012
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simonrockman said:
It says there are over 120. It will kill the value of the ones currently flying. How many are there?

Simon
It won't kill the value, they would take time to rebuild (YEARS), not all would be rebuilt to flying condition and at a cost of £1,000,000 each to rebuild you would have to find lots of v.rich owners.

Butter Face

30,341 posts

161 months

Monday 30th April 2012
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No pics surfaced of these amazing discoveries yet??

Zaxxon

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161 months

Monday 30th April 2012
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Lets hope Cameron doesn't fk this upsmile

http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/news/Dogfight_Burm...

horza

491 posts

208 months

Tuesday 1st May 2012
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Zaxxon said:
Lets hope Cameron doesn't fk this upsmile

http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/news/Dogfight_Burm...
Here we go. How bloody typical...

Simpo Two

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266 months

Tuesday 1st May 2012
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This is where you need somebody like Bernie Ecclestone.

Wouldn't the Spitfires be the property of Burma now (treasure trove if you like) and therefore up to the Burmese government to do what they wish with?

Eric Mc

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Tuesday 1st May 2012
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I hink they are - but an agreement has been reached on their transfer to the UK.

However, with matters of this type there is always the potential for rows and disputes.

Read the story of Peter Vacher's attempts to get Hurricane R4118 out of India.

http://www.hawker-restorations-ltd.co.uk/_images/_...

Hooli

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201 months

Tuesday 1st May 2012
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Eric Mc said:
Hooli said:
Eric Mc said:
If we count all the threads on PH, that would make at least 80 Spitfires found in Burma smile
We just need Bader back to lead the resulting Bilbo then smile
I think a Bilbo is something you find in The Lord of the Rings.

I presume you meant "Balbo" smile
That'd be the one, I wasn't sure on the name & I was too lazy to google.

Eric Mc

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266 months

Tuesday 1st May 2012
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Bilbo



Balbo



A large formation of aircraft was called a "Balbo" after the Italian aviator Italo Balbo who specialised in flying formations of aircraft for the benefit of Benito Mussolini

Apache

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285 months

Tuesday 1st May 2012
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need pictures....now

Simpo Two

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Tuesday 1st May 2012
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Senor Balbo has a touch of the Eddie Izzard about him...