Selling the Jet Ranger..

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Geneve

3,867 posts

220 months

Saturday 9th June 2012
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I'm not a great fan of the Robinson products.

Flown them, been round the factory at Torrance, heard Frank speak, tried to like them. But, the bottom line for me is the R22 was built to be a cheap entry level helicopter and this constrainted the design, from which the R44 and R66 have eveloved. There are technical and design issued that I don't like - not least being the teetering rotor head and cheap finish.

Having said that, many people obviously love them, and despite the 12 year life cycle (or maybe because of it) operating costs are fairly predictable. So, a private R44 owner, with a bit of SFH, could own one for a reasonably realistic figure.

The jury is still out on the new R66 (not helped by two early fatal accidents), but the performance figures do look very good. What it really needs is EASA approval (it's not yet approved in Europe) and a few years operational scuccess to satisfy the sceptics.

Of course it all depends what someone wants. For the sheer joy of flying a helicopter, doors off on a sunny day, something like a Bell 47 or a Schweizer 300C are a lot of fun and won't lose money.


King Herald

23,501 posts

217 months

Saturday 9th June 2012
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mrloudly said:
What's that in the sea behind?
They are part of the noise making gear we drag behind us, doing seismic survey of the sea bed.

mrloudly

2,815 posts

236 months

Saturday 9th June 2012
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King Herald said:
mrloudly said:
What's that in the sea behind?
They are part of the noise making gear we drag behind us, doing seismic survey of the sea bed.
Thanks! I wondered if it was some sort of semi submerged catch net for heli's that fell short LOL

HoHoHo

14,987 posts

251 months

Saturday 9th June 2012
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Geneve said:
Having said that, many people obviously love them, and despite the 12 year life cycle

Slightly off topic... Sorry

Why only 12 years - can't parts be changed to extend the life of the aircraft?

anonymous-user

55 months

Sunday 10th June 2012
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It's 12 years or 2200 hours and the machine goes for a rebuild.

I actually think it makes sense because you don't end up with the machine falling to pieces bit by bit.

carreauchompeur

17,850 posts

205 months

Sunday 10th June 2012
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bulldong said:
It's 12 years or 2200 hours and the machine goes for a rebuild.

I actually think it makes sense because you don't end up with the machine falling to pieces bit by bit.
Roughly what percentage of the initial purchase cost does a rebuild cost?

anonymous-user

55 months

Sunday 10th June 2012
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From memory I think the r22 is around £80k for a full rebuild. You can pick up a hull with zero hours left for £20k or so.

Once it's rebuilt it's a "new" machine essentially.

A new r22 is around £165k.

Obviously if you buy it and leave it in a shed for 12 years and barely fly it, it's quite an expensive hobby, but if you go and fly the thing then depreciation is ok.

carreauchompeur

17,850 posts

205 months

Sunday 10th June 2012
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Interesting, obviously it's a heli so is never going to be cheap per se but £165k is not a fortune.

I would imagine the "sweet spot" is to buy new, use it well for 6yrs and then sell it with a bit of value left...

anonymous-user

55 months

Sunday 10th June 2012
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If you want to get into it "cheaply" it's better just to buy one with say 50hours remaining and then just sell it once you've used them. Very often schools will sell you the last few hours in a block so you never actually own it. Also quite a good way of doing it.

ditchvisitor

1,208 posts

222 months

Sunday 10th June 2012
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Shame you are selling Simon, the offer from before still stands, let me know if you can make it down soon before it goes....
Didn't realise the cost were so much per month... Although mine costs that an hour to run.... wink