HMS Queen Elizabeth
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aeropilot said:
No they don't.
They've ordered 10 of them......so far.
As mentioned, they only actually have 3 of them at the moment, and they are all test development a/c, not service released spec ones.
https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/united-kingdom-takes-delivery-10th-f-35-128-go/ ??? They've ordered 10 of them......so far.
As mentioned, they only actually have 3 of them at the moment, and they are all test development a/c, not service released spec ones.
Either way I think we can agree that the procurement of these jets has been a financial nightmare.
http://forth-bridges.co.uk/queensferry-crossing/ga...
There's a Rosyth Royal Dockyard webcam but it's pointing the wrong way at the moment.
There's a Rosyth Royal Dockyard webcam but it's pointing the wrong way at the moment.
Perhaps to scale including the overhangs but the the hull had something like 14" spare at either side to clear the basin. Started moving around 2pm, has now cleared the dockyard and sat in the river just west of the bridges until low tide around 11pm when she can get under. Local roads around the area are busy, cars abandoned left, right and centre and the Forth Road Bridge has delays northbound as people are slowing to try and get a look. Pretty impressive however, though I'm sat here trying to spot these Russians that the news seems to be getting excited about!
Steve vRS said:
gregs656 said:
Live stream on RN Facebook
And Pravda no doubt 
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4636950/Ru...
The DM helpfully supplying a full set of plans and pointing out useful features.
Impressive bit of kit no doubt, however why didn't these come with the launch catapult thing (not sure the official term) that most over carriers have?
It seems madness that these can't be used with the US F18 or the Frenchies planes if needed or give the UK the option to fly other jets from it! This may have been answered already a million times so sorry if that is the case, I can't be dealing with reading the whole thread.
It seems madness that these can't be used with the US F18 or the Frenchies planes if needed or give the UK the option to fly other jets from it! This may have been answered already a million times so sorry if that is the case, I can't be dealing with reading the whole thread.
-crookedtail- said:
Impressive bit of kit no doubt, however why didn't these come with the launch catapult thing (not sure the official term) that most over carriers have?
It seems madness that these can't be used with the US F18 or the Frenchies planes if needed or give the UK the option to fly other jets from it! This may have been answered already a million times so sorry if that is the case, I can't be dealing with reading the whole thread.
Exactly what Cameron said in the 2010 Strategic Defence and Security Review. They mocked Labour "buying the wrong planes" and announced a switch to the Cat and Trap F-35C.It seems madness that these can't be used with the US F18 or the Frenchies planes if needed or give the UK the option to fly other jets from it! This may have been answered already a million times so sorry if that is the case, I can't be dealing with reading the whole thread.
They then found out after about a year of investigations that the design of the carrier had progressed to such a stage (and that the Catapult system had not been developed), that it was not practical to develop and retrofit them, as it would push the price and in service date out considerably. The government subsequently announced a u-turn and that the original selection (the F-35B) would be purchased.
-crookedtail- said:
Impressive bit of kit no doubt, however why didn't these come with the launch catapult thing (not sure the official term) that most over carriers have?
It seems madness that these can't be used with the US F18 or the Frenchies planes if needed or give the UK the option to fly other jets from it! This may have been answered already a million times so sorry if that is the case, I can't be dealing with reading the whole thread.
Some snake-oil salesman from Lockheed persuaded the Government to purchase a tranche of birds, which may yet turn out to be turkeys. By the time the final bill hits the doormat, the supposedly horrendous costs of navalising the Typhoon might suddenly look like chickenfeed.It seems madness that these can't be used with the US F18 or the Frenchies planes if needed or give the UK the option to fly other jets from it! This may have been answered already a million times so sorry if that is the case, I can't be dealing with reading the whole thread.
Halmyre said:
Pfft.Who needs Pravda?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4636950/Ru...
The DM helpfully supplying a full set of plans and pointing out useful features.
Shoddy journalism - how much is an Akula worth?http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4636950/Ru...
The DM helpfully supplying a full set of plans and pointing out useful features.
HarryW said:
Yes very sad and bordering on the criminally negligent by the party in power when first ordered. It was an absolute no brainier, it should have had cats and traps from day one....
It was supposed to be designed in such a way that the decision for cat&trap or vstol could be deferred - or at least that's what the government of the time though they'd signed up for. As it turned out adding cat&trap capability would have bumped the price up considerably by the time they came to make the decision.A pity as it affects not just the choice of fast jet it can operate, but also other things like AEW - radar equipped Merlin helicopters are no match for an E-2 Hawkeye
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