Duxford Flying Legends June 30/July 1st

Duxford Flying Legends June 30/July 1st

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Mutley

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259 months

Monday 25th June 2012
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Anyone going? think it's £31 to get in, and then usual extras, BBMF on Saturday only, but the draw for me will be a P-38 and the newly restored P-47 Jug - "Snafu"

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350Wedge

2,364 posts

273 months

Monday 25th June 2012
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I'm there both days as usual smile

Apache

39,731 posts

284 months

Monday 2nd July 2012
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Watched from the hill for a couple of hours but had to leave as grandson was getting bored.....just as the P51s took off. Did I miss much?

The Sea Fury eclipsed everything IMO as it hurtled into the display area trailing wing vortices, the pilot really showed just how powerful this old bird is

Mutley

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3,178 posts

259 months

Monday 2nd July 2012
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Wheres The Hill? Is that the slope upto the Land Warfare hall?

The smoke pods on the wingtips really emphasised the power and agility of the Sea Fury, but what I really 'liked' was the way the smoke formed rings after.

Did you see the Ju-52 and DC3, and Sikorsky S-38?

The Fieseler Storch was great, didn't realise the Germans created VTol in WW2, it's amazing to see it just hover.

Edit to correct the Junkers


Edited by Mutley on Tuesday 3rd July 09:07

Mutley

Original Poster:

3,178 posts

259 months

Tuesday 3rd July 2012
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A couple of shots:

Balbo


Sally-B + P-47 'SNAFU'

Eric Mc

122,038 posts

265 months

Tuesday 3rd July 2012
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Ju88?

That'd be nice - if there was an airworthy example.

Mutley

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259 months

Tuesday 3rd July 2012
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Thanks Eric smile Now corrected to Ju-52
Teach me to post when brain is telling me to sleep!

Simpo Two

85,464 posts

265 months

Tuesday 3rd July 2012
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The 'balbo' photo is impressive but the formation/s are odd - is it chosen for simplicity? Vics or finger fours would have been more authentic.

dr_gn

16,166 posts

184 months

Tuesday 3rd July 2012
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Simpo Two said:
The 'balbo' photo is impressive but the formation/s are odd - is it chosen for simplicity? Vics or finger fours would have been more authentic.
The combination of aircraft isn't authentic, so there wouldn't be an authentic formation...

Simpo Two

85,464 posts

265 months

Tuesday 3rd July 2012
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I take your point but a formation as in pattern can be authentic...

Mutley

Original Poster:

3,178 posts

259 months

Tuesday 3rd July 2012
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Simpo Two said:
The 'balbo' photo is impressive but the formation/s are odd - is it chosen for simplicity? Vics or finger fours would have been more authentic.
Thanks, The groupings, according to the commentator, are for aircraft of similar speeds.

For once I actually listened to the commentry, and came away with two new bits of useless information.

Balbo's are named after an Italian General who was the first to put together large formations of 20+
Airports are so named because that was where commercial flying boats 'docked'

Edited by Mutley on Tuesday 3rd July 12:39

pb63

238 posts

163 months

Tuesday 3rd July 2012
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Great day. I thought the French guy commentating was great.

I loved the discussion on the P47 SNAFU and what it stood for - If you have kids I hope you were able to put your hands over their ears in time!

Plane of the day for me was the p38 lightning. Fantastic.

Eric Mc

122,038 posts

265 months

Tuesday 3rd July 2012
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Mutley said:
Simpo Two said:
The 'balbo' photo is impressive but the formation/s are odd - is it chosen for simplicity? Vics or finger fours would have been more authentic.
Thanks, The groupings, according to the commentator, are for aircraft of similar speeds.

For once I actually listened to the commentry, and came away with two new bits of useless information.

Balbo's are named after an Italian General who was the first to put together large formations of 20+
Airports are so named because that was where commercial flying boats 'docked'

Edited by Mutley on Tuesday 3rd July 12:39
And the man himself -



Shot down by his own side in WW2.


Simpo Two

85,464 posts

265 months

Tuesday 3rd July 2012
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Balbo and snafu are common language for any warbird fan smile

I can understand that there were two formations each travelling at a different speed, but you could still fly vics or finger fours within each.

That said, why couldn't they all fly at the same speed? They look similar enough, and a Spitfire can formate with Concorde.

Ginetta G15 Girl

3,220 posts

184 months

Tuesday 3rd July 2012
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Either way, it's an example of bloody appalling formation flying!

dr_gn

16,166 posts

184 months

Tuesday 3rd July 2012
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pb63 said:
Great day. I thought the French guy commentating was great.

I loved the discussion on the P47 SNAFU and what it stood for - If you have kids I hope you were able to put your hands over their ears in time!

Plane of the day for me was the p38 lightning. Fantastic.
Who is the French commentator? I always thought he was good.

Mutley

Original Poster:

3,178 posts

259 months

Tuesday 3rd July 2012
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I liked the explanation of snafu as well, made me laugh, English commentator stops, the Franchman, ah yes...... At least the team didn't make any attempt to apologise, they just let it go.

Ginetta G15 Girl said:
Either way, it's an example of bloody appalling formation flying!
It's not rehearsed, so is only a loose formation

Simpo Two

85,464 posts

265 months

Tuesday 3rd July 2012
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Ginetta G15 Girl said:
Either way, it's an example of bloody appalling formation flying!
When we agree I know I'm right after all smile

It's hardly Hendon Air Pageant is it? But impressive all the same.

Ginetta G15 Girl

3,220 posts

184 months

Tuesday 3rd July 2012
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Mutley said:
is only a loose formation
No st Sherlock!


So you don't believe that loose formation can be well flown?



Mutley said:
It's not rehearsed
Having sat on the RAF's Airshow Committee as a Group rep I can tell you that unrehearsed displays do not get approval for RAF/FAA/AAC airshows nor for RIAT. This being the case, I find it astounding (and bordering on the criminal) that IWM Duxford thinks that this is acceptable, especially in light of the total fk up that resulted in the P51/Skyraider collision last year.

Mutley

Original Poster:

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Tuesday 3rd July 2012
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Ginetta G15 Girl said:
Having sat on the RAF's Airshow Committee as a Group rep I can tell you that unrehearsed displays do not get approval for RAF/FAA/AAC airshows nor for RIAT. This being the case, I find it astounding (and bordering on the criminal) that IWM Duxford thinks that this is acceptable, especially in light of the total fk up that resulted in the P51/Skyraider collision last year.
In which case, you should know the difference between unrehearsed and un-briefed.

Unrehearsed is how the commentators described it, as they do not know who/what will be airworthy on the day, and as i understood, it is a bit of levity. Each element takes off together, they then form up - very loosly - fly past en masse, then break and each element has a high speed flypast before breaking and landing- no element started their run until clear