Manufacturing in Britain

[FrankyH]

Britain's industry has been deliberately ruined. This has resulted in not only a loss of jobs, highly skilled and paid jobs at that, but it is also a humiliation for a great country and people like ours not to make anything.

As a bare minimum we should design and build our own ships, trains, aeroplanes, trucks, etc., etc., etc. We are not even doing this.

We are the direct descendants of the most intelligent, inventive people possible imaginable. With our people, under the right leadership, we could do amazing things again, things we could all be happy and proud of.

There was a golden opportuninty recently to design and build some high speed trains for Britain's east coast mainline here in Britain, and thereby restore some pride and happiness into our people, to replace our excellent, designed and built in Britain 125s and 225s. Instead the contract to design and build trains for Britain was given to Japan, a country who would never let a foreign country build its trains. This is a humiliation.

It's the same story in all areas. Take shipbuilding for example. As a bare minimum every single Royal Navy ship should be designed and built in a British shipyard. Recently, a contract to build 4 Royal Navy tankers went to Korea.

And every now and then our "leader" will appear on television and say something like "well, what can we do to help manufacturing in Britain?".

We have to pick ourselves up, dust ourselves off, and start standing proudly as a people and country again. Once we do that anything is possible.

[davepoth]

Cool polemic, Bro.

[mph1977]

what can we do to help manufacturing in Britain ? take out and shoot the leadership of he 'superunions' and Bob Crow ... this isn't the 1970s anymore .

it's interesting how none UK companies can manufacture stuff in the Uk using Uk labour ...

[Fonz]

And the bds in Westminster wonder why we hold them in so much contempt, that’s if they even realise it…

Actually just thinking about it don’t Nissan export cars from Sunderland to Japan? We can do it when we want to or have the opportunity.

Edited by Fonz on Friday 6th July 16:14

[rhinochopig]

The reason UK manu industry is on its arse in some areas is entirely down to us Brits. We have only ourselves to blame in that respect.

Strong unions and a successive combative governments really did UK PLC no favours. It's sad but a lot of people either fall into the Unions killed it or Thatcher killed it camps. The truth, when you read around the subject, is both must take their fare share of blame on this one.

[Newc]

There's an almost inexhaustible amount of skilled labour available in China and SE Asia for less than a grand a month.

So would you prefer to (a) pay significantly more taxes in order to pay current UK labour rates to have your ships built, or (b) get the UK shipbuilding unions to agree to match Chinese pay rates ?

[Simpo Two]

Newc said:

There's an almost inexhaustible amount of skilled labour available in China and SE Asia for less than a grand a month.

So would you prefer to (a) pay significantly more taxes in order to pay current UK labour rates to have your ships built, or (b) get the UK shipbuilding unions to agree to match Chinese pay rates ?

Quite so. We live in a country where 50% of everything we earn is taken away in tax. Therefore we need to earn twice as much. Hence we are not competitive. Few of us have the eastern work ethic either; paternity leave and bank holidays indeed. We want all the benefits and 'rights' but don't see where it's all heading.

[Hooli]

Newc said:

There's an almost inexhaustible amount of skilled labour available in China and SE Asia for less than a grand a month.

So would you prefer to (a) pay significantly more taxes in order to pay current UK labour rates to have your ships built, or (b) get the UK shipbuilding unions to agree to match Chinese pay rates ?

Ah but if they were built here a lot of the tax spent on them would come straight back as tax from the workers & companies doing the building. I bet it doesn't actually work out as expensive as it seems when it's all worked out.

[Apache]

FrankyH said:

There was a golden opportuninty recently to design and build some high speed trains for Britain's east coast mainline here in Britain, and thereby restore some pride and happiness into our people, to replace our excellent, designed and built in Britain 125s and 225s. Instead the contract to design and build trains for Britain was given to Japan, a country who would never let a foreign country build its trains. This is a humiliation.

Newsflash, we build trains in the UK, loads of em and guess what, we export them, and you know why? because we agree that, sometimes, we will buy trains from other countries. That's how it works. Import/Export.

Now I realise you will probably ignore this as well so I will address this to any
posters who believe frankie boy is anything other than a jingoistic and racist dumbass

Edited by Apache on Friday 6th July 18:27

[Engineer1]

I bet you'll find we are involved in the design and manufacture of a hell of a lot more than you thought, just because we don't have, British Leyland, the ship yards etc. doesn't mean we aren't involved deeply in the hi-tech design stuff.

[hyperblue]

OP, you keep posting batst insane ramblings for new topics.. Has your carer gone on holiday or something?

[thinfourth2]

FrankyH said:

Britain's industry has been deliberately ruined. This has resulted in not only a loss of jobs, highly skilled and paid jobs at that, but it is also a humiliation for a great country and people like ours not to make anything.

As a bare minimum we should design and build our own ships, trains, aeroplanes, trucks, etc., etc., etc. We are not even doing this.

We are the direct descendants of the most intelligent, inventive people possible imaginable. With our people, under the right leadership, we could do amazing things again, things we could all be happy and proud of.

There was a golden opportuninty recently to design and build some high speed trains for Britain's east coast mainline here in Britain, and thereby restore some pride and happiness into our people, to replace our excellent, designed and built in Britain 125s and 225s. Instead the contract to design and build trains for Britain was given to Japan, a country who would never let a foreign country build its trains. This is a humiliation.

It's the same story in all areas. Take shipbuilding for example. As a bare minimum every single Royal Navy ship should be designed and built in a British shipyard. Recently, a contract to build 4 Royal Navy tankers went to Korea.

And every now and then our "leader" will appear on television and say something like "well, what can we do to help manufacturing in Britain?".

We have to pick ourselves up, dust ourselves off, and start standing proudly as a people and country again. Once we do that anything is possible.

Totally agreed

Step 1

Kick out the morons

[gareth_t]

As someone who works in the uk engineering industry I only see it on the up.

A few weeks ago I was in a uk based (but Japan owned) cnc manufacturing company. And that are as busy and I heard looking to expand more. So it can't be as bad as the papers say.

[Simpo Two]

Apache said:

Now I realise you will probably ignore this as well so I will address this to any
posters who believe frankie boy is anything other than a jingoistic and racist dumbass

A somewhat excessive conclusion based on that post I think, but you do get 2/2 for soundbyte cliches - which are part of the problem.

[hyperblue]

Simpo Two said:

Apache said:

Now I realise you will probably ignore this as well so I will address this to any
posters who believe frankie boy is anything other than a jingoistic and racist dumbass

A somewhat excessive conclusion based on that post I think, but you do get 2/2 for soundbyte cliches - which are part of the problem.

A quick Google reveals that OP's entire post is copy and pasted from a white supremacist website.

[MM]

hyperblue said:

A quick Google reveals that OP's entire post is copy and pasted from a white supremacist website.

I thought you were joking, but no

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t887896/

[hyperblue]

MM said:

hyperblue said:

A quick Google reveals that OP's entire post is copy and pasted from a white supremacist website.

I thought you were joking, but no

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t887896/

Though he did leave out the anti-semitism when he posted it here

[mrloudly]

I tell you why we're not competitive... We have two new £125k CNC's at work. On Thursday I had a battle royale with the importer to get an unlock code for the
sub spindle clamp override switches... "We're not allowed to give you them because of HSE".... It's working behind an interlocked door guard FFS!!! If something
comes out what's it going to hit!!! Do you think Mr Won in China (our competitor) knows the codes? Of course he does!!! I managed to get them only after threatening
to cancel another order for £150k machine... Guess what now, it's running a treat ;-)
I get this sort of st all the time... No wonder I'm on four blood pressure tablets a day!

[PRTVR]

Newc said:

There's an almost inexhaustible amount of skilled labour available in China and SE Asia for less than a grand a month.

So would you prefer to (a) pay significantly more taxes in order to pay current UK labour rates to have your ships built, or (b) get the UK shipbuilding unions to agree to match Chinese pay rates ?

This I think is a red herring, in Sweden Norway Italy and Germany they are building lots of ships,are their wages not higher than the UK?,A lack of investment to allow the ship yards to work smarter is part of the problem, I do agree that the unions did not help but I think Uk managers need to accept some of the blame, we see foreign company's coming into the Uk and succeeding where we failed, take car production BL was a disaster, but Nissan have one of the most productive plants in the world in Sunderland.

[Apache]

Simpo Two said:

Apache said:

Now I realise you will probably ignore this as well so I will address this to any
posters who believe frankie boy is anything other than a jingoistic and racist dumbass

A somewhat excessive conclusion based on that post I think, but you do get 2/2 for soundbyte cliches - which are part of the problem.

Cheers ST, it wasn't just based on that post (which is a load of bks anyway)

look for yourself then follow the links

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

Edited by Apache on Saturday 7th July 09:39