Sunseeker Boat info and Price
Discussion
Hello All.
Took an interest in a 2003 28m sunseeker and wanting to know more info on such boats.
Anyone know them? Been on them etc....? I know there's a sunseekr range like predator etc.... But what type is this?
Can anyone guide me as to pricing of such boats?
I can imagine it would depend on fit out and hours used. But based on say a decent fit out and say average use/ hours can anyone advise on value?
Its similar to this one below.
Took an interest in a 2003 28m sunseeker and wanting to know more info on such boats.
Anyone know them? Been on them etc....? I know there's a sunseekr range like predator etc.... But what type is this?
Can anyone guide me as to pricing of such boats?
I can imagine it would depend on fit out and hours used. But based on say a decent fit out and say average use/ hours can anyone advise on value?
Its similar to this one below.
Paddy_N_Murphy said:
Is it me or does that seem like really good value? It looks like a nice family sized boat, now were is me piggy bank.....Streetrod said:
Is it me or does that seem like really good value? It looks like a nice family sized boat, now were is me piggy bank.....
Fuel capacity: 3000 litresMarine diesel: £1.30ish/litre?
Range: 250 miles?
Fuel cost per mile: £15.60 ..
In perspective, that's about £6 per minute cruising. Ignoring insurance, maintenance, mooring, depreciation .. In no way could a yacht ever be described as "good value". Per hour, you could probably charter a Jet Ranger for less!
essayer said:
Streetrod said:
Is it me or does that seem like really good value? It looks like a nice family sized boat, now were is me piggy bank.....
Fuel capacity: 3000 litresMarine diesel: £1.30ish/litre?
Range: 250 miles?
Fuel cost per mile: £15.60 ..
In perspective, that's about £6 per minute cruising. Ignoring insurance, maintenance, mooring, depreciation .. In no way could a yacht ever be described as "good value". Per hour, you could probably charter a Jet Ranger for less!
essayer said:
Streetrod said:
Is it me or does that seem like really good value? It looks like a nice family sized boat, now were is me piggy bank.....
Fuel capacity: 3000 litresMarine diesel: £1.30ish/litre?
Range: 250 miles?
Fuel cost per mile: £15.60 ..
In perspective, that's about £6 per minute cruising. Ignoring insurance, maintenance, mooring, depreciation .. In no way could a yacht ever be described as "good value". Per hour, you could probably charter a Jet Ranger for less!
Are the numbers quoted correct? If one was to to a very sketchy "back of a napkin" guestamte on costs for a a 500 mile cruise round the greek islands based on those numbers on say the 95 sunseeker that i originally posted it would work out to about:
Fuel: £12k ( 9,000 Ltr tank)
Say crew for a week £8k? ( including tips etc)
Supplies for a week: £3k for say 8 people, food drink etc.... for a week
I am not sure on other costs such as port fees or say insurance.
say £23k for 1 week or say circa £3k per person for a weeks cruising?
Fuel: £12k ( 9,000 Ltr tank)
Say crew for a week £8k? ( including tips etc)
Supplies for a week: £3k for say 8 people, food drink etc.... for a week
I am not sure on other costs such as port fees or say insurance.
say £23k for 1 week or say circa £3k per person for a weeks cruising?
28M boat would need crew whereas a 20M boat would be more than ok to run on your own along with someone to catch a few lines and tie the odd fender.
a 28M boat can be looked at as being more than double the size of a 20M boat. Going on volume.
Don't get too hung up on fuel burn rates, going along is the boring bit, sat in a bay with a cold beer is the way forward.
Big cruising a decent sail boat may be wiser choice.
Speed yellow - what are your thoughts, from someone with both and many sea miles, power vs sail for long distance ?
Also displacement speeds can be fun on planning boats and the fuel burn goes down from 300 litres per hour to under 50.
Berthing is a big part of the running costs, for 20M it can range from €6k at somewhere in Spain to €40k+ in prime med berth.
Or what about charters (also means tax free fuel, 0.70c instead of €1.30litre
€12,000 berth in somewhere nice in Italy
€4,000 insurance
€4,000 engine and gen servicing
€6,000 guardianage inc wash downs and full package (€500 PCM)
€5,000 for odds n ends
€6,500 fuel for 50hours
€37,500 a year
The boat above is MCA cat 2 coded and would charter out at €3,750 per day plus fuel and provisions.
You can see that many of these boats can and do pay there way, although there is more wear and tear from a boat that is chartered it can be a good way to offset a few running expenses.
Buy sensibly and depreciation should be limited.
a 28M boat can be looked at as being more than double the size of a 20M boat. Going on volume.
Don't get too hung up on fuel burn rates, going along is the boring bit, sat in a bay with a cold beer is the way forward.
Big cruising a decent sail boat may be wiser choice.
Speed yellow - what are your thoughts, from someone with both and many sea miles, power vs sail for long distance ?
Also displacement speeds can be fun on planning boats and the fuel burn goes down from 300 litres per hour to under 50.
Berthing is a big part of the running costs, for 20M it can range from €6k at somewhere in Spain to €40k+ in prime med berth.
Or what about charters (also means tax free fuel, 0.70c instead of €1.30litre
€12,000 berth in somewhere nice in Italy
€4,000 insurance
€4,000 engine and gen servicing
€6,000 guardianage inc wash downs and full package (€500 PCM)
€5,000 for odds n ends
€6,500 fuel for 50hours
€37,500 a year
The boat above is MCA cat 2 coded and would charter out at €3,750 per day plus fuel and provisions.
You can see that many of these boats can and do pay there way, although there is more wear and tear from a boat that is chartered it can be a good way to offset a few running expenses.
Buy sensibly and depreciation should be limited.
Having run both power and sail extensively it all depends how many miles you want to do and then at what sort of speeds you're happy to go along with.
Size is the big price issue as has been pointed out above. To give you an idea running a 70 foot yacht doing 50k miles a year cost around £120k a year. Doing the same on a 55 footer cost about £45k a year (these include sails, standing and running rigging and you still have an engine a Genset).
So compare that to a 70 motorboat being used year round but doing less miles you'll end up with the same sort of running cost.
Currently running a 60 foot motorboat on jet drives, still do more miles than average having already come from Holland to the Canaries via UK, France, Spain, Portugal, Madera. Doing this trip at 7.5 hours brought fuel burn down to 20 litres an hour and took safe range to just over 1000 nm. At 28 knots it has a range of just under 260 miles!
So long distance go sail or under 5k miles a year power is normally cheaper, add to the fact a 60 foot motorboat has the accommodation of a 70 foot yacht....
The wild card of course is a Nordhavn type proper trawler yacht, these cost similar to yacht to run for the same mileage as fuel to sail/rigging costs even out over time.
There are people who run sails and rigging to complete death even when crossing the Atlantic and tell you how much cheaper it can be but that's like putting remould on your Ferrari and running flat out down the autobahn for hours to me. Loosing a rig or mainsail mid Atlantic is very tedious.
Size is the big price issue as has been pointed out above. To give you an idea running a 70 foot yacht doing 50k miles a year cost around £120k a year. Doing the same on a 55 footer cost about £45k a year (these include sails, standing and running rigging and you still have an engine a Genset).
So compare that to a 70 motorboat being used year round but doing less miles you'll end up with the same sort of running cost.
Currently running a 60 foot motorboat on jet drives, still do more miles than average having already come from Holland to the Canaries via UK, France, Spain, Portugal, Madera. Doing this trip at 7.5 hours brought fuel burn down to 20 litres an hour and took safe range to just over 1000 nm. At 28 knots it has a range of just under 260 miles!
So long distance go sail or under 5k miles a year power is normally cheaper, add to the fact a 60 foot motorboat has the accommodation of a 70 foot yacht....
The wild card of course is a Nordhavn type proper trawler yacht, these cost similar to yacht to run for the same mileage as fuel to sail/rigging costs even out over time.
There are people who run sails and rigging to complete death even when crossing the Atlantic and tell you how much cheaper it can be but that's like putting remould on your Ferrari and running flat out down the autobahn for hours to me. Loosing a rig or mainsail mid Atlantic is very tedious.
Oh and have a look around lots but for sensible money and a much newer boats out there, there is a Predator 62 for sale at a very good price called Shadow. Also remember that a current 60 has the accommodation of a 75+ footer from 10 years ago. Huge progress has been made in maximising the space.
Finally think if something goes wrong engine wise, on a 28m you're looking at over £100k minimum for a replacement unit! Just watching an engine being pulled here on a big motorboat and it's not a pretty job, owner looking at £30k bill to cut the boat open and put it all back together on top of the engine work. He's now wondering if he should do the other engine as well or leave it alone. Expensive choices.
Finally think if something goes wrong engine wise, on a 28m you're looking at over £100k minimum for a replacement unit! Just watching an engine being pulled here on a big motorboat and it's not a pretty job, owner looking at £30k bill to cut the boat open and put it all back together on top of the engine work. He's now wondering if he should do the other engine as well or leave it alone. Expensive choices.
essayer said:
Streetrod said:
Is it me or does that seem like really good value? It looks like a nice family sized boat, now were is me piggy bank.....
Fuel capacity: 3000 litresMarine diesel: £1.30ish/litre?
Range: 250 miles?
Fuel cost per mile: £15.60 ..
In perspective, that's about £6 per minute cruising. Ignoring insurance, maintenance, mooring, depreciation .. In no way could a yacht ever be described as "good value". Per hour, you could probably charter a Jet Ranger for less!
Estimating 30litres per hour @ cruise by 300 hours per year @ us$1.55 per litre $13,950 (300 hours is actually loads of use on a boat)
Yearly antifoul us$3,000 (cost price)
Yearly Engine maintenance (minor) us$3,000 per engine
Mooring fees (swing mooring); $600
Insurance us$3,800 (trade inc charter liability)
General repairs & maintenance us$2,500
So all up around $25 to $30k But that's with a brother and father in the trade.
BUT depreciation is a killer eg that 62ft Sunseeker was 1.1m with options now 550k so losing £150kpa in first four years. Should level out a little now but still going to be around £50k annually.
Now where we live there is the opportunity to charter, but that would only bring in around $10k - 15k.
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