787 program quality starting to fall apart?

[DJRC]

The trouble when you work in the industry is that you really *cant* say anything. I dont *think* Im covered by the OSA anymore, my 10 yrs has lapsed since I last signed it and its been over 5 yrs since I last worked on the Eurofighter, but I still wouldnt/wont/cant say anything about what I know. There are the legal rules and the unwritten rules. The same goes for this instance and in particular with this plane it has been the one time I have discussed it with my family. Dr_GN is correct, those know keep quiet and there are more than one or two people who are familiar with the basset block in Derby (its black and white like Bertie) on PH. I know a lot of people who are biting their tongues over the 787. I have no particular bias to either Boeing or Airbus, I have worked on different projects for each.

[c7xlg]

How does the 787 give shorter flight times? Cruise speed is same pretty much as 'legacy' fleet isn't it?

Or do people mean the 787 will mean more point to point flights and less hub and spoke flights? ( though I've been shot down on here in the past for suggesting 787's size/role was to get away from Hub based operations)

[trashbat]

DJRC said:

The trouble when you work in the industry is that you really *cant* say anything. I dont *think* Im covered by the OSA anymore, my 10 yrs has lapsed since I last signed it and its been over 5 yrs since I last worked on the Eurofighter, but I still wouldnt/wont/cant say anything about what I know. There are the legal rules and the unwritten rules. The same goes for this instance and in particular with this plane it has been the one time I have discussed it with my family. Dr_GN is correct, those know keep quiet and there are more than one or two people who are familiar with the basset block in Derby (its black and white like Bertie) on PH. I know a lot of people who are biting their tongues over the 787. I have no particular bias to either Boeing or Airbus, I have worked on different projects for each.

Your signing of the Official Secrets Act is irrelevant. You are bound by it and punishable under it whether you sign or not - it is a law like any other.

On the other hand, time may render some things public knowledge or no longer of classified value. On the other hand, only a small fraction of most work connected to something like this is practically classified in the first place. A connected engineer's general wisdom about whether a given aircraft is any good or not isn't likely to fall foul of it. Company confidential is a whole other matter of course.

[Pkh72]

I work with the Trent1000's, i wouldn't discuss any potential issues on a public forum whether i had or hadn't signed the OSA, it's not a wise thing to do.

[DJRC]

Pkh72 said:

I work with the Trent1000's, i wouldn't discuss any potential issues on a public forum whether i had or hadn't signed the OSA, it's not a wise thing to do.

Another Basset blocker?

I mentioned the OSA in the context of having worked on mil stuff and not talking about that work. Im also ex Trent 1000 and have no intention of saying anything public. As ive said on other threads its just not the done thing.

[eharding]

DJRC said:

Pkh72 said:

I work with the Trent1000's, i wouldn't discuss any potential issues on a public forum whether i had or hadn't signed the OSA, it's not a wise thing to do.

Another Basset blocker?

I mentioned the OSA in the context of having worked on mil stuff and not talking about that work. Im also ex Trent 1000 and have no intention of saying anything public. As ive said on other threads its just not the done thing.

All very laudable, but it does beg the question though - up to what point?

Hypothetically speaking, commercial confidence and OSA notwithstanding, how many uncontained in-service engine failures would it take before some current or ex-employee of an engine manufacturer with pertinent knowledge would come forward and spill the beans?

[davepoth]

eharding said:

All very laudable, but it does beg the question though - up to what point?

Hypothetically speaking, commercial confidence and OSA notwithstanding, how many uncontained in-service engine failures would it take before some current or ex-employee of an engine manufacturer with pertinent knowledge would come forward and spill the beans?

It'd be around the point that a major customer (or the aviation authority of that customer's country) grounds their planes for the issue.

[russ_a]

The basset block should have been knocked down years ago Does it still have those large filling cabinets that you move with those steering wheels?

[DJRC]

eharding said:

DJRC said:

Pkh72 said:

I work with the Trent1000's, i wouldn't discuss any potential issues on a public forum whether i had or hadn't signed the OSA, it's not a wise thing to do.

Another Basset blocker?

I mentioned the OSA in the context of having worked on mil stuff and not talking about that work. Im also ex Trent 1000 and have no intention of saying anything public. As ive said on other threads its just not the done thing.

All very laudable, but it does beg the question though - up to what point?

Hypothetically speaking, commercial confidence and OSA notwithstanding, how many uncontained in-service engine failures would it take before some current or ex-employee of an engine manufacturer with pertinent knowledge would come forward and spill the beans?

Then you do it to the relevent authorities and you present your evidence. You dont do it on public forums. Besides at that point in time, there would already be an unholy investigation launched into anal detail of every aspect of the designs involved from the system level down.

[Mave]

eharding said:

Hypothetically speaking, commercial confidence and OSA notwithstanding, how many uncontained in-service engine failures would it take before some current or ex-employee of an engine manufacturer with pertinent knowledge would come forward and spill the beans?

Has the T1000 had any uncontained in-service failures? I'd not heard of any....

[Pkh72]

Mave said:

eharding said:

Hypothetically speaking, commercial confidence and OSA notwithstanding, how many uncontained in-service engine failures would it take before some current or ex-employee of an engine manufacturer with pertinent knowledge would come forward and spill the beans?

Has the T1000 had any uncontained in-service failures? I'd not heard of any....

No, a GE engine did, or something similar the other week IIRC.