'Pushing on' - explicit example of terrible airmanship.
Discussion
TheHeretic said:
What makes you think they had any idea there was a problem until the final few seconds when they lost altitude?
It's quite obvious from the time they took to get off the ground that the flight was marginal. Even more so when it failed to gain altitude having lifted off. The pilot should have aborted the take off, or put down again once it was clear he didn't have the power needed.I think Eric was referring to the part after the crash though.
Just stumbled across this, other than standard passenger planes I have zero experience of flying. I didn't have any sound as at work but unless something was mentioned during takeoff I wouldn't have realised that there was an issue until the trees started heading toward me!
I think a lot of people put pilots on a bit of a god like pedestal and won't question what is happening.
I think a lot of people put pilots on a bit of a god like pedestal and won't question what is happening.
DamienB said:
Why on earth would you say that Eric? They're passengers - clearly with little to no flying experience and no knowledge of what situation the pilot was putting them in. Once on the deck they're pretty clearly in shock and nobody is need of any obvious medical attention.
NTSB preliminary report - states that the pilot sustained serious injuries.Someone over on the Flyer Forum ran the W&B for the type concerned - a Stinson 108-3 - and that indicated that they were close to max all-up weight with 4 on board and a reasonable amount of fuel.
Sadly, not an uncommon occurrence - I'm reminded of the PA-28 140 with 4 lads on board that tried to get out of Sandown on a hot day a couple of years ago - although that came to a far more tragic end.
It's a bit like the story of the Canadian hunters who wanted to fly out of a small strip with masses of equipment.
The pilot initially refused because they would be overloaded, but the hunters claimed that the previous year they had taken the same load out of the same strip in an identical aircraft.
Not wanting to be outdone this pilot agreed, they managed to take off but when they reached a range of hills they couldn't climb fast enough and crashed.
As the hunters were climbing out of the wreck one is supposed to have said 'where are we?' and the other is supposed to have replied 'I think we got about a mile further than last year'.
The pilot initially refused because they would be overloaded, but the hunters claimed that the previous year they had taken the same load out of the same strip in an identical aircraft.
Not wanting to be outdone this pilot agreed, they managed to take off but when they reached a range of hills they couldn't climb fast enough and crashed.
As the hunters were climbing out of the wreck one is supposed to have said 'where are we?' and the other is supposed to have replied 'I think we got about a mile further than last year'.
mrloudly said:
Lift was fine, it took off. It needed more BHP to sustain the speed needed to climb. The warning was in the take off roll or length thereof...
Very lucky there was no fire!
Seemed like he took off, barely gained any height, touched down again on the grass after the cleared strip and then eventually struggled into the air again. How did he think he was going to make any kind of turn?Very lucky there was no fire!
Gez, I've been on fully loaded airliners taking off at altitude with shorter takeoffs than that... despite having an idea of the outcome before I saw the footage I did wonder what was happening after they'd been "taking off" for almost 2minutes!!!
I suppose they where unlucky that there wheren't more trees around the runway, the pilot might have backed off and aborted sooner if the runway had an obvious end, he just seemed to keep going, had to rewatch it to work out where they actually got off the ground!
Hope the pilot was able to make a full recovery, he looked in reasonable bad shape.
I suppose he was supposed to do some checks regarding weight and pressure before attempting a takeoff?
I suppose they where unlucky that there wheren't more trees around the runway, the pilot might have backed off and aborted sooner if the runway had an obvious end, he just seemed to keep going, had to rewatch it to work out where they actually got off the ground!
Hope the pilot was able to make a full recovery, he looked in reasonable bad shape.
I suppose he was supposed to do some checks regarding weight and pressure before attempting a takeoff?
dr_gn said:
mrloudly said:
Lift was fine, it took off. It needed more BHP to sustain the speed needed to climb. The warning was in the take off roll or length thereof...
Very lucky there was no fire!
Seemed like he took off, barely gained any height, touched down again on the grass after the cleared strip and then eventually struggled into the air again. How did he think he was going to make any kind of turn?Very lucky there was no fire!
Eric Mc said:
They seem more intent on recording the incident than doing anything practical to help.
Morons.
Not moronic at all, in fact, in some respects I'd say it was very quick thinking. Photographic evidence of any crash and it's aftermath can often prove critical in determining cause, or exploiting learning points for future aviators.Morons.
Out of interest Eric, what's your experience and qualification of post-crash immediate actions?
Edited by anonymous-user on Thursday 9th August 19:47
The very fact they kept on videoing is in itself an interesting point.
People often act in very strange ways after an aircraft crash, or indeed any other crash, and the video would seem to prove that.
Read the accounts of some of the ejectees during GW1 and they did some very strange things.
Two of them fell about laughing at their predicament, and another opted to empty his LCJ and arrange it all neatly on the desert floor.
Still, let's not concern ourselves with the human aspect of a crash, let's get back to discussing the batch number of the rivets used to attach the port aileron upper skin.....Eric?
People often act in very strange ways after an aircraft crash, or indeed any other crash, and the video would seem to prove that.
Read the accounts of some of the ejectees during GW1 and they did some very strange things.
Two of them fell about laughing at their predicament, and another opted to empty his LCJ and arrange it all neatly on the desert floor.
Still, let's not concern ourselves with the human aspect of a crash, let's get back to discussing the batch number of the rivets used to attach the port aileron upper skin.....Eric?
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