RE: Vulcan to be grounded
Discussion
Runways can be repaired to a useable condition within hours from a conventional bomb blast ( as delivered to the Falklands).
The Tornado delivered JP233 Runway/area denial weapon was designed to overcome this shortfall. Damaging the runway whilst
leaving many un-exploded devices around to prevent access for a quick repair.
The Tornado delivered JP233 Runway/area denial weapon was designed to overcome this shortfall. Damaging the runway whilst
leaving many un-exploded devices around to prevent access for a quick repair.
mrloudly said:
Runways can be repaired to a useable condition within hours from a conventional bomb blast ( as delivered to the Falklands).
The Tornado delivered JP233 Runway/area denial weapon was designed to overcome this shortfall. Damaging the runway whilst
leaving many un-exploded devices around to prevent access for a quick repair.
Banned weapon though these days them laying mines.The Tornado delivered JP233 Runway/area denial weapon was designed to overcome this shortfall. Damaging the runway whilst
leaving many un-exploded devices around to prevent access for a quick repair.
I saw it at Dunsfold and again at Shoreham awsome machine, here's my vid..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ihiZMgA6ek&fea...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ihiZMgA6ek&fea...
Such a shame, but yes, unfortunately inevitable. The Vulcan is one of my favourite aircraft, and I've been supporting the Vulcan to the Skies program for a couple of years, taking Dad up to Doncaster for a tour was a great birthday gift last year!
Here is XH558 on final approach at this years Farnborough Air Show... being from Farnborough, I can honestly say that the Air Show will never be the same again.
Here is XH558 on final approach at this years Farnborough Air Show... being from Farnborough, I can honestly say that the Air Show will never be the same again.
lyndhurst25 said:
Not knowing much about how aircraft are built, can someone explain what exactly the £200000 "Fatigue Life Extension Modification 2221" actually involves? I'd be interested to know how you go about strengthening a wing.
Knowing aviation costs it'll be a couple of bracing plates bolted into the structure with eight 3/8" BSF 2" nuts and bolts :-)I had to replace all the wing mounting bolts on a 1968 Beagle Pup because "The pinch locking system may lead to uneven torque values being applied".... They'd been holding the wings on ok since 1968!
More potential damage removing and re-fitting... Madness the whole thing....
lyndhurst25 said:
Not knowing much about how aircraft are built, can someone explain what exactly the £200000 "Fatigue Life Extension Modification 2221" actually involves? I'd be interested to know how you go about strengthening a wing.
Pretty much all covered here http://www.vulcantothesky.org/uploads/documents/Eo...Richjam said:
Pretty much all covered here http://www.vulcantothesky.org/uploads/documents/Eo...
That's what I'd read already but it doesn't say *how* the modification is done. Replacing rivets? Drilling holes and adding more rivets? Adding more structural "bits"? (Not that I know anything about how 1950's jet bombers are put together).The Olympus engine is still supported, there are at least 12 installed across 3 nuclear power stations in the UK alone and hundreds were exported which are still in service. Most of these were the 200 series engines which are the same as 588, so there is no shortage of engines or spare.
As someone said previously its probably a ploy to get more funding
As someone said previously its probably a ploy to get more funding
Davep24 said:
The Olympus engine is still supported, there are at least 12 installed across 3 nuclear power stations in the UK alone and hundreds were exported which are still in service. Most of these were the 200 series engines which are the same as 588, so there is no shortage of engines or spare.
As someone said previously its probably a ploy to get more funding
I very much doubt the power station jobbies are certified to the same level as the aircraft type. Unfortunately aircraft fly on paperwork...As someone said previously its probably a ploy to get more funding
This makes me really depressed. I saw this at Goodwood and it totally blew me away, the way it just seemed to hover in the air above while bellowing thunder down at you was insane. What with the way other countries (US, China) so aggressively guard/cultivate their cultural history, I find it depressing that we 'can't afford' to do the same.
Perhaps however the way to look at it is that actually it's testament to British engineering that it was ever built, and it's testament to British spirit that it was ever revived. It's probably weirdly appropriate that it's a testament to (relative) British poverty that it's now going out of action.
Perhaps however the way to look at it is that actually it's testament to British engineering that it was ever built, and it's testament to British spirit that it was ever revived. It's probably weirdly appropriate that it's a testament to (relative) British poverty that it's now going out of action.
Davep24 said:
The Olympus engine is still supported, there are at least 12 installed across 3 nuclear power stations in the UK alone and hundreds were exported which are still in service. Most of these were the 200 series engines which are the same as 588, so there is no shortage of engines or spare.
As someone said previously its probably a ploy to get more funding
Marine or power plant Olympus do not contain the same parts as an aviation Olympus, parts are not interchangeable.As someone said previously its probably a ploy to get more funding
As Mr Loudly says, you need paperwork, and only RR can supply that, and the facilities and new parts to overhaul the aviation Olympus do not exist anymore within RR.
mrloudly said:
Davep24 said:
The Olympus engine is still supported, there are at least 12 installed across 3 nuclear power stations in the UK alone and hundreds were exported which are still in service. Most of these were the 200 series engines which are the same as 588, so there is no shortage of engines or spare.
As someone said previously its probably a ploy to get more funding
I very much doubt the power station jobbies are certified to the same level as the aircraft type. Unfortunately aircraft fly on paperwork...As someone said previously its probably a ploy to get more funding
As for being different, the ones at the station I work at are Olympus mk201 which I believe are the same as the vulcans
Davep24 said:
The gas turbines at the nuclear stations have to be extremely reliable and start on demnd as they provide essential electrical supplies during reactor trips. Without this things would get very hot very quickly. The gas turbines form part of the stations safety case, so much so that they could not operate without them.
As for being different, the ones at the station I work at are Olympus mk201 which I believe are the same as the vulcans
It isn't a question of reliability, it's a question of certification.As for being different, the ones at the station I work at are Olympus mk201 which I believe are the same as the vulcans
The sad news about XH558 being grounded for good comes as no surprise following the avoidable destruction of two engines earlier this year.
What a shame
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The experience with this aircraft means that it is now extremely unlikely that a Concorde will ever be restored to flying condition. XH558 has proved to be a bottomless financial pit, requiring the expenditure millions of pounds to get her flying again and many hundreds of thousands more to keep her in the air each year.
Compared to the costs of getting a Concorde flying again, however, XH558's expenditure would be a drop in a bucket. Sadly, the costs of getting a Concorde in the air would be so enormous that it's never going to happen.
What a shame
.The experience with this aircraft means that it is now extremely unlikely that a Concorde will ever be restored to flying condition. XH558 has proved to be a bottomless financial pit, requiring the expenditure millions of pounds to get her flying again and many hundreds of thousands more to keep her in the air each year.
Compared to the costs of getting a Concorde flying again, however, XH558's expenditure would be a drop in a bucket. Sadly, the costs of getting a Concorde in the air would be so enormous that it's never going to happen
.Bradgate said:
The sad news about XH558 being grounded for good comes as no surprise following the avoidable destruction of two engines earlier this year.
What a shame.
The experience with this aircraft means that it is now extremely unlikely that a Concorde will ever be restored to flying condition. XH558 has proved to be a bottomless financial pit, requiring the expenditure millions of pounds to get her flying again and many hundreds of thousands more to keep her in the air each year.
Compared to the costs of getting a Concorde flying again, however, XH558's expenditure would be a drop in a bucket. Sadly, the costs of getting a Concorde in the air would be so enormous that it's never going to happen.
Without going off topic completely, we have known since 2003 that Concorde will never fly again. What a shame
.The experience with this aircraft means that it is now extremely unlikely that a Concorde will ever be restored to flying condition. XH558 has proved to be a bottomless financial pit, requiring the expenditure millions of pounds to get her flying again and many hundreds of thousands more to keep her in the air each year.
Compared to the costs of getting a Concorde flying again, however, XH558's expenditure would be a drop in a bucket. Sadly, the costs of getting a Concorde in the air would be so enormous that it's never going to happen
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