RE: Vulcan to be grounded

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Cobnapint

8,633 posts

152 months

Wednesday 17th October 2012
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will261058 said:
will261058 said:
Ginetta G15 Girl said:
RedLeicester said:
Seriously noddy mistake
More like Criminal Negligence!

Who the hell places FOD in an engine intake on purpose and, having done so, fails to record it accurately?
Standard practice to but silica gel bags in the intake to prevent corrosion in uninstalled engines. There must be an open entry for these to be removed on the engine installation paperwork. These bags would have been ingested the first time the engine was started therefore it would have happened during the post installation ground runs and not a pre flight check. This is normally a groundcrew task not aircrew. Notwithstanding this a walkround and intake check is still required.
Actually I was talking ste when I wrote the above! Silica gel bags are not put in the intake at all, they are draped in bandoliers over the top of the engine casing while the engine is in its MVP transportation bag. VPI paper is placed in the intake behind the IGVs and the Ist stage LP Comp blades as a vapour barrier. The pics of the guy in the intake with the bags suggests to me that perhaps they were being used as a cushion and nobody took them out!
LPC, AD, IGV's, MVP......

It reminds me of the 'Not the 9 o'clock news' sketch in the HiFi shop when the staff mock and blind the customers with their in-house lingo.

Hope the Vulcan survives but I'm out of this topic. Fed up of googling clever-dick aircraft industry abbreviations.

ATTAK Z

11,118 posts

190 months

Wednesday 17th October 2012
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Cobnapint said:
LPC, AD, IGV's, MVP......

It reminds me of the 'Not the 9 o'clock news' sketch in the HiFi shop when the staff mock and blind the customers with their in-house lingo.

Hope the Vulcan survives but I'm out of this topic. Fed up of googling clever-dick aircraft industry abbreviations.
TLAs ?

jonny142

1,506 posts

226 months

Wednesday 17th October 2012
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Vieste said:
A chap i know on another car forum use to fly the vulcan 80s i will get him to post some stories on here they are good.
Is that 'Les' on Scoobynet ?

TinyCappo

2,106 posts

154 months

Wednesday 17th October 2012
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ATTAK Z said:
Cobnapint said:
LPC, AD, IGV's, MVP......

It reminds me of the 'Not the 9 o'clock news' sketch in the HiFi shop when the staff mock and blind the customers with their in-house lingo.

Hope the Vulcan survives but I'm out of this topic. Fed up of googling clever-dick aircraft industry abbreviations.
TLAs ?
low pressure compressor
airworthiness directive
inlet guide vanes
most valuable player.......?

PAFB - pink and fluffy bit - pilot

Woody

2,187 posts

285 months

Thursday 18th October 2012
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Be a shme when it finally stops.

My 6 year old step son was in awe a few months back - we were on Cannock Chase when the Falklands memorial was unveiled at Alrewas and got a grandstand seat when it flew over us.

Bought back memories of seeing one at the Cosford air show when I was his age - the year before the Falklands kicked off!

Hoping it'll see another season as I'd like to take himalong to see it again.

Chris

Woody

2,187 posts

285 months

Thursday 18th October 2012
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Today is also the 5th anniversary of it's first flight after recommissioning.

Vulcan to the sky 5th Anniversary

will261058

1,115 posts

193 months

Thursday 18th October 2012
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TinyCappo said:
ATTAK Z said:
Cobnapint said:
LPC, AD, IGV's, MVP......

It reminds me of the 'Not the 9 o'clock news' sketch in the HiFi shop when the staff mock and blind the customers with their in-house lingo.

Hope the Vulcan survives but I'm out of this topic. Fed up of googling clever-dick aircraft industry abbreviations.
TLAs ?
low pressure compressor
airworthiness directive
inlet guide vanes
most valuable player.......?

PAFB - pink and fluffy bit - pilot
MVP - Moisture Vapour Proof

Dr Interceptor

7,800 posts

197 months

Tuesday 6th November 2012
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Sad news just arrived in my inbox... due to a lack of funding, the Winter Service of XH558 will be suspended after the next phase is finished.

You can read the press release here: http://www.vulcantothesky.org/uploads/documents/St...

At current funding and donation levels, they would fall around £100,000 short of the £400,000 they need to raise by the end of the year.

frown Unless a big benefactor comes along, or donation trends change, that might be it frown



Edited by Dr Interceptor on Tuesday 6th November 17:46

Dr Interceptor

7,800 posts

197 months

Tuesday 6th November 2012
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Here's the content from the email...

vulcan email said:
Engineering Director announces halt to winter service in only a few weeks.
We write today with some fear for the future, for although our funding appeal has been receiving some magnificent support, it has yet to reach a level at which we can be confident of getting to the £400,000 funding target we require by the New Year.

We are today reporting a total appeal figure of £79,145, one fifth of that required by the end of the year.

Even if we maintain the current weekly additional funding rate, we will fall at least £100,000 short of the £400,000 target by the end of the year.

This has sparked an urgent review of our commitments to continuing with the winter service.

In light of the current appeal standing and the rate of progress, after consultation with the team, our Engineering Director, Andrew Edmondson, has issued the following statement which has been included in our latest postal mailing as an urgent notice which will be arriving any day soon.

fatboy69

9,373 posts

188 months

Tuesday 6th November 2012
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I had the same email &, sadly, I think that's it for 558. Looks very much as though she will not fly again unless someone with a big cheque book steps forward soon.

A great shame if her flying days are over.

Stuck In A Lift

2,941 posts

172 months

Tuesday 6th November 2012
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What will it take to organise a Sunday Service there?!!

silverfoxcc

7,690 posts

146 months

Tuesday 6th November 2012
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There is a guy in Essex with 160+m and he is still working

HoHoHo

14,987 posts

251 months

Wednesday 7th November 2012
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A great shame, but I fear funding is becoming harder to come by from the general public.

Gizmoish

18,150 posts

210 months

Wednesday 7th November 2012
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HoHoHo said:
A great shame, but I fear funding is becoming harder to come by from the general public.
Was always going to be the way once they said it was nearly over.

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Vieste

10,532 posts

161 months

Wednesday 7th November 2012
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jonny142 said:
Vieste said:
A chap i know on another car forum use to fly the vulcan 80s i will get him to post some stories on here they are good.
Is that 'Les' on Scoobynet ?
Correct smile

Loafing Wafu

48 posts

211 months

Wednesday 7th November 2012
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DamienB

1,189 posts

220 months

Wednesday 7th November 2012
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Works better in the sun smile


Ecurie Ecosse

4,812 posts

219 months

Monday 12th November 2012
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Went out to East Fortune at the weekend and saw XM597 which was used in the Falklands and which has a very interesting history.





Some info from another site:

XM597 is the only other Black Buck veteran and flew two missions, hence the two missile markings on the side of the fuselage. XM597 entered service with 12 Squadron on the 27th of August 1963 and then served with 35, 50, 9, 101 and 35 Squadrons.

Deployed in the Falklands in the suppression of enemy air defences role, XM597 set the record in Black Buck 5 for the longest mission in the history of air warfare, a record that remained until a B-52 broke it during the Gulf war in 1991, after a total flight time of precisely 16 hours. XM597 again made the headlines in Black Buck 6 when, due to a fractured in-flight refuelling probe, it was diverted to Rio de Janeiro. On the final rendezvous with a Victor tanker XM597's refuelling probe snapped off and the crew were forced to divert.

There were no pre-arranged or recognised diversions and the crew's brief was to ditch the aircraft should the final refuelling fail. Reluctant to ditch XM597 in the South Atlantic the crew elected to climb to 43,000 ft for best range/endurance performance and headed west towards South America and Brazil. Before entering Brazilian airspace the un-used Shrikes had to be jettisoned to prevent any potential embarrassment to the British and Brazilian authorities. After de-pressurizing at 43,000 ft and jettisoning secret documents and film through the crew entrance door, XM597 descended to around 20,000 ft whilst evading a pair of Brazilian F-5 fighter aircraft which had been scrambled to intercept it. With insufficient fuel for a procedural instrument approach into Rio's Galeao International Airport, XM597 was flown to the overhead where it commenced a spiral descent and visual approach.

The aircraft was landed with only a few hundred pounds of fuel remaining in the tanks. After seven days internment, the crew was under 'open arrest' (but well treated) on the military side of the airport, the aircraft and crew were released to prevent further embarrassment to Brazil and Britain. After returning from Ascension Island, XM597 was allocated to 44 (Rhodesia) Squadron in July 1982 and 50 Squadron in December 1982 to be converted to a B(K).2. XM597 was acquired by the Scottish Museum of Flight when 50 Squadron disbanded on 31st March 1984 and it flew into East Fortune in April 1984.

Globs

13,841 posts

232 months

Monday 12th November 2012
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Such a shame, we (are forced to) pay £50m a day to the EU and yet we have this wonderful 'plane grounded due to lack of funds.

Something is very wrong with the political class in the Uk.

RedLeicester

6,869 posts

246 months

Monday 12th November 2012
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Globs said:
Such a shame, we (are forced to) pay £50m a day to the EU and yet we have this wonderful 'plane grounded due to lack of funds.

Something is very wrong with the political class in the Uk.
Yes and no. I agree with your sentiment, truly I do, but where would you have the Gov start or stop?

The BBMF? HMS Victory and Warrior? One of every aircraft in the inventory? Black buck and the V-programme aside, would one argue for a Stringbag to be kept on a Gov't pension because of the Bismarck, and being more "worthy"? What about Mossies? A Lightning or 7?