RE: Vulcan to be grounded
Discussion
RedLeicester said:
........would one argue for a Stringbag to be kept on a Gov't pension because of the Bismarck,.......
Like this one?
Ledaig said:
RedLeicester said:
........would one argue for a Stringbag to be kept on a Gov't pension because of the Bismarck,.......
Like this one?Ecurie Ecosse said:
After seven days internment, the crew was under 'open arrest' (but well treated) on the military side of the airport, the aircraft and crew were released to prevent further embarrassment to Brazil and Britain.
Is my information is correct that this would have been mostly embarrassment to Brazil. The version I heard mentioned that the reason for releasing the crew and asking the plane to leave was that the pope was due to visit, and the Brazilian government were not wild about the risk of pictures of the papal arrival including a nuclear capable strategic bomber currently involved in a limited war being parked up at the airport when he arrived...?I am not sure the pope was the main concern after all they could have parked it out of sight.
More likely they didn't want the Argentines to kick up a fuss about it.
Brazil had a public position of neutrality but was in fact providing covert help to the Argentines and the longer the Vulcan was there the greater the risk of embarrasment eg they would have had to refuse Argentine requests to disable or embargo it etc.
More likely they didn't want the Argentines to kick up a fuss about it.
Brazil had a public position of neutrality but was in fact providing covert help to the Argentines and the longer the Vulcan was there the greater the risk of embarrasment eg they would have had to refuse Argentine requests to disable or embargo it etc.
RedLeicester said:
Globs said:
Such a shame, we (are forced to) pay £50m a day to the EU and yet we have this wonderful 'plane grounded due to lack of funds.
Something is very wrong with the political class in the Uk.
Yes and no. I agree with your sentiment, truly I do, but where would you have the Gov start or stop?Something is very wrong with the political class in the Uk.
The BBMF? HMS Victory and Warrior? One of every aircraft in the inventory? Black buck and the V-programme aside, would one argue for a Stringbag to be kept on a Gov't pension because of the Bismarck, and being more "worthy"? What about Mossies? A Lightning or 7?
In fact a more general poll of where spending should go would be useful - although that kind of democracy doesn't interest our EU stooges.
Such a shame. I saw her fly in 2009 and fell in love with her straight away. Such a gorgeous looking and sounding aircraft. Really inspired me to research and look into the whole V-bomber programme, as being a naïve 21 year old I knew nothing about it until then.
Went to go see the Victor do a fast taxi later that year and I still need to go see the XD818 Valiant at the RAF Museum in Cosford.
Understandable that they're finally grounding it though. It's been a money pit for as long as I've known about it and they've always seemed to have struggled to keep it going.
Went to go see the Victor do a fast taxi later that year and I still need to go see the XD818 Valiant at the RAF Museum in Cosford.
Understandable that they're finally grounding it though. It's been a money pit for as long as I've known about it and they've always seemed to have struggled to keep it going.
Edited by TheTurbonator on Monday 12th November 20:27
TheTurbonator said:
Such a shame. I saw her fly in 2009 and fell in love with her straight away. Such a gorgeous looking and sounding aircraft. Really inspired me to research and look into the whole V-bomber programme, as being a naïve 21 year old I knew nothing about it until then.
Went to go see the Victor do a fast taxi later that year and I still need to go see the XD818 Valiant at the RAF Museum in Cosford.
Went to go see the Victor do a fast taxi later that year and I still need to go see the XD818 Valiant at the RAF Museum in Cosford.
Globs said:
Such a shame, we (are forced to) pay £50m a day to the EU and yet we have this wonderful 'plane grounded due to lack of funds.
Something is very wrong with the political class in the Uk.
Can't help thinking that government support could be better used than either the EU support or funding the Vulcan really. Fixing the potholes that are eating my alloys or more adequately funding the NHS for a start. Probably the wrong forum to make such a suggestion though...Something is very wrong with the political class in the Uk.
Tom_C76 said:
Can't help thinking that government support could be better used than either the EU support or funding the Vulcan really. Fixing the potholes that are eating my alloys or more adequately funding the NHS for a start. Probably the wrong forum to make such a suggestion though...
Not necessarily, we are enthusiasts but I don't think we number many idiots.Re: the potholes, have you mentioned your concerns to your local politicians?
The more they get messages from Mr M I T Street the more chance there is of a change of direction
(OK, from bugger all chance to maybe a slim chance)
I think it's safe to say they are not throwing in the towel just yet. Just seen this in their Facebook feed:
Afternoon Tea with the Vulcan
Vulcan XH558 is delighted to invite her friends to afternoon tea at 1pm on Sunday, November 25th. Our highly knowledgeable guide
Toni Hunter has arranged sandwiches, scones, tea & coffee in the hangar with members of the flight crew – including members of the famous 1982 Black Buck missions - and technical specialists from the engineering team. We will also have an extended tour of the aircraft so you can get up close to the world’s last flying Vulcan. Only a handful of tickets are available at £25 each to raise money for the winter service. XH558 is based at Robin Hood Airport Doncaster, previously RAF Finningley. To reserve your place, please call 0845 124 7285 before 3pm on Thursday 22nd November. Thank you.
Afternoon Tea with the Vulcan
Vulcan XH558 is delighted to invite her friends to afternoon tea at 1pm on Sunday, November 25th. Our highly knowledgeable guide
Toni Hunter has arranged sandwiches, scones, tea & coffee in the hangar with members of the flight crew – including members of the famous 1982 Black Buck missions - and technical specialists from the engineering team. We will also have an extended tour of the aircraft so you can get up close to the world’s last flying Vulcan. Only a handful of tickets are available at £25 each to raise money for the winter service. XH558 is based at Robin Hood Airport Doncaster, previously RAF Finningley. To reserve your place, please call 0845 124 7285 before 3pm on Thursday 22nd November. Thank you.
Ledaig said:
RedLeicester said:
........would one argue for a Stringbag to be kept on a Gov't pension because of the Bismarck,.......
Like this one?onyx39 said:
Lol..... Looked at the page, and it said "find us on Facebook". They really meant "find us" no link to their page, just a link to www.facebook.com
Odd, I get this from the link FacebookHaven't read all the posts here, so please don't shoot me if I am repeating someone... but it seems Brits don't realise how much funding their national treasures already get from the government! Visited Hendon Air Force museum last week, and was amazed that, like so many museums in UK, there was no entrance fee - seems the Air Force (= the government)pays for it. While this is admirable, it also seems like financial lunacy. Surely adult enthusiasts could stump up a pound or two to visit these treasures, no? Imagine the extra funds that would make available! I am British but have lived on the Continent for over 20 years, and can only dream of museum fees of a couple of euros, let alone free!
monamimate said:
Haven't read all the posts here, so please don't shoot me if I am repeating someone... but it seems Brits don't realise how much funding their national treasures already get from the government! Visited Hendon Air Force museum last week, and was amazed that, like so many museums in UK, there was no entrance fee - seems the Air Force (= the government)pays for it. While this is admirable, it also seems like financial lunacy. Surely adult enthusiasts could stump up a pound or two to visit these treasures, no? Imagine the extra funds that would make available! I am British but have lived on the Continent for over 20 years, and can only dream of museum fees of a couple of euros, let alone free!
Most museums in the country are free to enter, but every one should have a donations box inside the door to accept donations towards the upkeep of the museum and exhibits. Certainly the FAST museum in Farnborough does (Air-Science) and the National Gallery in London - random choices, but those are the last two museums I visited!That's completely different however to XH558 which is run by a charitable organisation, and relies solely on donations from the public in order to exist.
On the good news side, the most recent email said that they're nearing the £200k mark, and that donations were rolling in. This puts the Winter Service fundraising almost back on target, with approx six weeks till Christmas to raise the remaining £200k required by the end of the year.
monamimate said:
Haven't read all the posts here, so please don't shoot me if I am repeating someone... but it seems Brits don't realise how much funding their national treasures already get from the government! Visited Hendon Air Force museum last week, and was amazed that, like so many museums in UK, there was no entrance fee - seems the Air Force (= the government)pays for it. While this is admirable, it also seems like financial lunacy. Surely adult enthusiasts could stump up a pound or two to visit these treasures, no? Imagine the extra funds that would make available! I am British but have lived on the Continent for over 20 years, and can only dream of museum fees of a couple of euros, let alone free!
The Royal Air Force have nothing to do with the RAF Museum in terms of funding. The free to enter scheme is funded by the government directly (through the Department for Culture, Media and Sport) - museums ended up with greater visitor numbers but those visitors don't necessarily spend any more in the cafe/shop than they did before, in fact often less. I gather it's been a bit income-neutral overall but obviously positive to the visitor.Globs said:
Such a shame, we (are forced to) pay £50m a day to the EU and yet we have this wonderful 'plane grounded due to lack of funds.
Something is very wrong with the political class in the Uk.
WTF are you on?Something is very wrong with the political class in the Uk.
Yes, I agree we give far too much away to the EU and other sponging countries but why should any of that money go towards the Vulcan?
Ali Chappussy said:
Globs said:
Such a shame, we (are forced to) pay £50m a day to the EU and yet we have this wonderful 'plane grounded due to lack of funds.
Something is very wrong with the political class in the Uk.
WTF are you on?Something is very wrong with the political class in the Uk.
Yes, I agree we give far too much away to the EU and other sponging countries but why should any of that money go towards the Vulcan?
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