RE: Vulcan to be grounded
Discussion
CambsBill said:
My old man was flying them out of Waddington in those days - my formative years were spent watching them fly overhead virtually every day, with the occasional treat of the Lancaster that was based there at that time as well.
Seen 558 a number of times over the years, most memorably flying over the house a couple of summers ago at very low level. I shall miss her
Ah yes the Lancaster, that was a real treat. As they say ' you don't know what you've got till its gone'.Seen 558 a number of times over the years, most memorably flying over the house a couple of summers ago at very low level. I shall miss her
Skodaku said:
Of course, driving up or down the A15, (Lincs), past RAF Waddington you can see XM607 - the actual Falklands Vulcan. Considering she's the only Vulcan to have delivered a bomb in aggression, not much is made of her.
Thought XM597 (now at East Fortune) fired Shrike missiles in the Falklands too.Too young to remember this in 'period'. As another poster said though, for my Father it conjures up some very mixed emotions. I absolutely love it, as I do Concorde. Both are absolutely breathtaking in real life, both on the ground and in the air. A real shame. Some of mine from Fairford a couple of years ago.
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To those wondering about lottery funding, a large lottery heritage grant made her airworthiness possible in the first place. Unfortunately, I believe the sums of money required to keep her flying are just too much to overcome.
There are however, many other deserving types that some funding would see airworthy again.
There are however, many other deserving types that some funding would see airworthy again.
ApexJimi said:
XH558 and all who made it possible for us to see her over the past few years
Seconded.In my early teenage years, my Dad used to take me to RAF St Athan for the air show every year and during one visit there was a Vulcan parked up after its display. I queued for nearly an hour to clamber up the ladder into the cockpit. I remember thinking, 'how the hell do the pilots see out to fly this thing?' It really was like sitting in a coal bunker.
Many years later, during a Cosford air show, I was with Mrs k at the end of the runway in her air field Landy. It's not the best clip of XH558 out there, but you get the "howl":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hscxMhnIIcg&fea...
A fantastic bird that'll be sorely missed from our skies.
I recorded this of her memorial flight in September.
http://youtu.be/VehXHXuvZwk
I recorded this of her memorial flight in September.
http://youtu.be/VehXHXuvZwk
Absolutely none taken 'Heisthegaffer' - just didnt know that, infact I think it was PH who originally got me involved a few years ago.
I kinda know what the replies are going to be - but when you consider the Americans and their 'Confederate air force' - the guys who are running all sorts of old WW2 planes, still seems to be wrong that we in the UK seem to put most of our preservation resources into 19th century Industrial Revolution and before, technology - BoBF excepted...
(..just add in 'Flight..' technology...before anyone mentions...cars & bikes!...its geting late...I should be tucked up in bed :-))
I kinda know what the replies are going to be - but when you consider the Americans and their 'Confederate air force' - the guys who are running all sorts of old WW2 planes, still seems to be wrong that we in the UK seem to put most of our preservation resources into 19th century Industrial Revolution and before, technology - BoBF excepted...
(..just add in 'Flight..' technology...before anyone mentions...cars & bikes!...its geting late...I should be tucked up in bed :-))
Edited by ChrisP T5 on Friday 12th October 23:22
As much as I love the Vulcan and backed it when they were talking of restoration to flying and the later ' we need more ' cash, if it's natural time is up, while that may be sad, I think we should look back ( OK, perhaps not just yet ) and marvel just how against all the odds, they got her back and did what many thought impossible.
How about using those millions raised and some lottery funding to focus on another type, getting something else back into the air , or maybe recreating a type that's on the missing list, even if for static display.
How about using those millions raised and some lottery funding to focus on another type, getting something else back into the air , or maybe recreating a type that's on the missing list, even if for static display.
Real shame.
Saw one flying as a kid and didn't know what it was and a few years ago got to sit in the pilot's seat in one. (couldn't see a thing through the windscreen because it was so high).
I must make an effort to see it flying in the coming year.
I'm curious to know what repairs the engines need.
I assume that some of the group A parts will time expire soon or will need expensive SBs to extend their cyclic lives.
Anyone now the details?
Saw one flying as a kid and didn't know what it was and a few years ago got to sit in the pilot's seat in one. (couldn't see a thing through the windscreen because it was so high).
I must make an effort to see it flying in the coming year.
I'm curious to know what repairs the engines need.
I assume that some of the group A parts will time expire soon or will need expensive SBs to extend their cyclic lives.
Anyone now the details?
Looks to me as though a bit of thinking out of the box is required. I bet a friendly college doing apprenticeships in aero engineering would jump at the chance of doing half the work, especially getting the drawings done. How about finding a sponsor for the engines - great project for Rolls Royce apprentices, same for BAE and the wings.
New starters in the industry need something to work on - what more worthwhils ( other than a Concorde and that would be just daft!)
New starters in the industry need something to work on - what more worthwhils ( other than a Concorde and that would be just daft!)
Jasper Gilder said:
Looks to me as though a bit of thinking out of the box is required. I bet a friendly college doing apprenticeships in aero engineering would jump at the chance of doing half the work, especially getting the drawings done. How about finding a sponsor for the engines - great project for Rolls Royce apprentices, same for BAE and the wings.
New starters in the industry need something to work on - what more worthwhils ( other than a Concorde and that would be just daft!)
It's way beyond any of that sadly. Engine overhaul is neither cheap nor simple at the best of times. If the life limited parts are expired and there are no more, then that's it. RR I'm sure have zero interest in making the parts. New starters in the industry need something to work on - what more worthwhils ( other than a Concorde and that would be just daft!)
That's before you get to the paperwork.
Apprentices tend to be better off learning on up to date tech anyway.
Edited by wooooody on Saturday 13th October 00:48
William is the patron of the BBMF is he not? Sure he could stump up a few ££. As fot convincing the public over spending their taxes, that's easy. Fly it over as many areas as possible, with a voting exercise immediately after. I'm sure if people saw it flying they sign up to the idea without much coercion.
As an aside, we took my uncle to see XH558 at Brunters back in '09, when he was over from the US for m wedding. He retired from flying just before the Vulcans came in, so it was great to see his face light up as he didn't have a clue what was going on! However, we went to a local public house afterwards, where the publican was a keen aviator - he had a couple of ejector seats in the dining room! He was incredibly disparaging, however, about the trust with regard to their professionalism and economic controls.
As an aside, we took my uncle to see XH558 at Brunters back in '09, when he was over from the US for m wedding. He retired from flying just before the Vulcans came in, so it was great to see his face light up as he didn't have a clue what was going on! However, we went to a local public house afterwards, where the publican was a keen aviator - he had a couple of ejector seats in the dining room! He was incredibly disparaging, however, about the trust with regard to their professionalism and economic controls.
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