The BAE Samlesbury Lightening is going...

The BAE Samlesbury Lightening is going...

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neilb62

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86 posts

169 months

Thursday 21st February 2013
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The gate guard at Samlesbury, Lightening ZF580 (ex- 53-672) is being removed for (I assume) scrap on Monday. A local metal processors have been tasked with the removal.
I'm guessing its now structurally knackered after years on a plinth? Sad. May get over with the camera if I can find out times...

motorizer

1,498 posts

171 months

Thursday 21st February 2013
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They tried to jet wash it and it went through apparently..rotten as a carrot..
I've was told today they are considering getting another..possibly along with a lightning II (replica I presume)

Eric Mc

121,970 posts

265 months

Thursday 21st February 2013
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It definitely is lightening - by corrosion.

Aeroplanes do not fare well stuck outside for decades.

The Black Flash

13,735 posts

198 months

Thursday 21st February 2013
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Was thinking it could do with a clean just the other day. Hopefully it's referb rather than scrap.

neilb62

Original Poster:

86 posts

169 months

Thursday 21st February 2013
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Will hopefully find out what's happening later, my wife is sorting the contract out today. Mind you she did the contract for the Blackpool Airport Vulcan too.... :-/

Edit.... Going for restoration, not sure where though...

Edited by neilb62 on Thursday 21st February 16:41


Edited by neilb62 on Thursday 21st February 17:55

DudleySquires

863 posts

234 months

Friday 22nd February 2013
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It's supposed to re-appear outside the new main entrance after it's had a bit of clean. Pics show it next to an F-35. Should be quite an impressive display of gate-guardianship.

Eric Mc

121,970 posts

265 months

Friday 22nd February 2013
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I expect the F-35 will be a plastic replica. There was one such replica on display at Farnborough last year.

Roberty

1,179 posts

172 months

Friday 22nd February 2013
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Eric Mc said:
I expect the F-35 will be a plastic replica. There was one such replica on display at Farnborough last year.
I bloody well hope it's a replica! hehe

The F-35 may be shaping up to be a bit of a Turkey but I don't think we should relegate them straight to gate guard dutys!

Eric Mc

121,970 posts

265 months

Friday 22nd February 2013
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I think one has gone to a museum in the US already.

Roberty

1,179 posts

172 months

Friday 22nd February 2013
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Eric Mc said:
I think one has gone to a museum in the US already.
Already!

You'd think they'd be something to learn from it even if it isn't representative of the Low initial rate production models.

Should've just ploughed our money into extra Typhoons for the RAF and Super Hornets for the Navy and perhaps bought in to this once it had matured in to a viable option (If it ever does!).



Sorry for taking the topic off on a tangent, as you were.

Hooli

32,278 posts

200 months

Friday 22nd February 2013
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Roberty said:
Eric Mc said:
I think one has gone to a museum in the US already.
Already!
Pretty typical for prototypes/test aircraft I thought?

DudleySquires

863 posts

234 months

Friday 22nd February 2013
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X-35B (STOVL, which used to be the X35A before it was converted) is in the National Air and Space Museum in Washington. X-35C is at the PAX Naval Air Museum, along with one of the X32 designs.

AA-1 (which was a pre-prod version, if you like) was shot up, presumably for some sort of vulnerability testing. All the other F-35s that have been produced are still flying.

Fully expect any gate guardian at Samlesbury to be plastic-fantastic!

Roberty

1,179 posts

172 months

Friday 22nd February 2013
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DudleySquires said:
All the other F-35s that have been produced are still flying.
Glad to hear it.




motorizer

1,498 posts

171 months

Friday 22nd February 2013
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They already had a plastic full size F35 replica at samlesbury a while back outside the new office buildings, I don't know where that is now, but maybe they're getting it back.

Eric Mc

121,970 posts

265 months

Friday 22nd February 2013
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Hooli said:
Roberty said:
Eric Mc said:
I think one has gone to a museum in the US already.
Already!
Pretty typical for prototypes/test aircraft I thought?
Only in recent years (1990s onwards). The problem is that the gestation period for getting a new aircraft into service is now so long (20 years sometimes) that the prototypes really are museum pieces by the time the production versions are being delivered.

yellowjack

17,076 posts

166 months

Friday 22nd February 2013
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There's been a replica at the RAF Museum in Hendon since at least March 2012.



Perhaps if they put more effort into the actual aircraft, and a little less time in the proliferation of plastic rep's, then the thing might come to something. At the moment it's becoming more and more 'Commanche' by the second.

Anyone other than the US Government got $6billion to flush down the pan?

saaby93

32,038 posts

178 months

Friday 22nd February 2013
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Roberty said:
The F-35 may be shaping up to be a bit of a Turkey but I don't think we should relegate them straight to gate guard dutys!
Here?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_Martin_F-35_...

wikip said:
In November 2011, a Pentagon study team identified the following 13 areas of concern that remained to be addressed in the F-35:[163][164]

The helmet-mounted display system does not work properly.
The fuel dump subsystem poses a fire hazard.
The Integrated Power Package is unreliable and difficult to service.
The F-35C's arresting hook does not work.
Classified "survivability issues", which have been speculated to be about stealth.[163]
The wing buffet is worse than previously reported.
The airframe is unlikely to last through the required lifespan.
The flight test program has yet to explore the most challenging areas.
The software development is behind schedule.
The aircraft is in danger of going overweight or, for the F-35B, not properly balanced for VTOL operations.
There are multiple thermal management problems. The air conditioner fails to keep the pilot and controls cool enough, the roll posts on the F-35B overheat, and using the afterburner damages the aircraft.
The automated logistics information system is partially developed.
The lightning protection on the F-35 is uncertified, with areas of concern.
coffee

Mojocvh

16,837 posts

262 months

Friday 22nd February 2013
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Eric Mc said:
I expect the F-35 will be a plastic replica. There was one such replica on display at Farnborough last year.
And one on a RN "carrier" a few years ago, maybe the actual same one...?

aeropilot

34,564 posts

227 months

Friday 22nd February 2013
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DudleySquires said:
All the other F-35s that have been produced are still flying.
Were still flying wink

http://www.defensenews.com/article/20130222/DEFREG02/302220023/U-S-Grounds-Entire-F-35-Fleet-Over-Engine-Issues?odyssey=nav

Al Murphy

291 posts

159 months

Tuesday 26th February 2013
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It was removed from its stand yesterday afternoon, and looks to be going under some sort of temporary structure. I must admit it does look sorry for itself with a slightly closer view point. It’d be a shame to see it go considering the Canberra went a couple of years ago. Hopefully what has been said about it moving to the new main entrance is true. Typical for BAES there appears to be no news available internally around what is happening to it.

Al