What will the Government buy if the F35 is cancelled?

[Ginetta G15 Girl]

jimreed said:

I'm an ex Nav, ( a kind of more exclusive, glamorous club than to be a mere pilot/driver)

Ah yes, self loading freight...




I'm sorry to say that the days of SODCAT are numbered.*

• For Eric:

SODCAT = Society Of Directional Consultants and Allied Trades.

Edited by Ginetta G15 Girl on Saturday 24th January 14:52

[mph1977]

Ginetta G15 Girl said:

Ah yes, self loading freight...




I'm sorry to say that the days of SODCAT are numbered.*

• For Eric:

SODCAT = Society Of Directional Consultants and Allied Trades.

Edited by Ginetta G15 Girl on Saturday 24th January 14:52

they've been numbered since the V -force got wound down as they were the last aircraft with more 'flight deck' SODCAT than drivers '

[donutsina911]

We've still got 14 Sea Harriers that apparently work...didn't know that

http://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/news-and-latest-activi...

[IanMorewood]

donutsina911 said:

We've still got 14 Sea Harriers that apparently work...didn't know that

http://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/news-and-latest-activi...

I've mentioned them several times on here before, we where at one point going to sell them to the Indian navy, that never happened.

[onyx39]

donutsina911 said:

We've still got 14 Sea Harriers that apparently work...didn't know that

http://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/news-and-latest-activi...

So the engines are limited to they cannot take off, presumably, that could be reversed and the aircraft pressed back into service should the need ever arise?

[RobGT81]

onyx39 said:

So the engines are limited to they cannot take off, presumably, that could be reversed and the aircraft pressed back into service should the need ever arise?

Who will fly them?

[Yertis]

onyx39 said:

So the engines are limited to they cannot take off, presumably, that could be reversed and the aircraft pressed back into service should the need ever arise?

They're very old relics. But the Navy look after their gear very well, better than the RAF I would expect.

[donutsina911]

onyx39 said:

So the engines are limited to they cannot take off, presumably, that could be reversed and the aircraft pressed back into service should the need ever arise?

That's my understanding...I know a couple of ex Harrier chaps now on exchange with USN and have asked the question...I'd always assumed they'd been flogged to the USMC for parts

[onyx39]

RobGT81 said:

onyx39 said:

So the engines are limited to they cannot take off, presumably, that could be reversed and the aircraft pressed back into service should the need ever arise?

Who will fly them?

Presumably the pilots that flew them when they were in service?

[Herkybird]

no one is flying them.... they're being taxi'd around for training purposes.
If the navy are like the air force it will be instructors who do it, we used to do all our marshalling training with Jet Provosts with Sergeant's in them and that hasn't changed since i did my trainng in the late 80's.
They wouldn't waste their time or a pilots getting him to play around training groundcrew

[telecat]

donutsina911 said:

onyx39 said:

So the engines are limited to they cannot take off, presumably, that could be reversed and the aircraft pressed back into service should the need ever arise?

That's my understanding...I know a couple of ex Harrier chaps now on exchange with USN and have asked the question...I'd always assumed they'd been flogged to the USMC for parts

The Sea Harrier has more in common with the Original Harrier than the Marine Corps AV-8B's. They were based on the GR3 rather than the BAE/Mcdonell Douglas GR5/7/9 hence little commonality for spares.

[Ginetta G15 Girl]

Yertis said:

but the Navy look after their gear very well, better than the RAF I would expect.

Could you explain why you think that?

[MartG]

donutsina911 said:

onyx39 said:

So the engines are limited to they cannot take off, presumably, that could be reversed and the aircraft pressed back into service should the need ever arise?

That's my understanding...I know a couple of ex Harrier chaps now on exchange with USN and have asked the question...I'd always assumed they'd been flogged to the USMC for parts

I suspect it would take a lot more than de-restricting the engines to get them fully airworthy again

[aeropilot]

onyx39 said:

donutsina911 said:

We've still got 14 Sea Harriers that apparently work...didn't know that

http://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/news-and-latest-activi...

So the engines are limited to they cannot take off, presumably, that could be reversed and the aircraft pressed back into service should the need ever arise?

In a word - no.

[donutsina911]

aeropilot said:

onyx39 said:

donutsina911 said:

We've still got 14 Sea Harriers that apparently work...didn't know that

http://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/news-and-latest-activi...

So the engines are limited to they cannot take off, presumably, that could be reversed and the aircraft pressed back into service should the need ever arise?

In a word - no.

Actually in 7 words, the answer is "sure could buddy, stranger things have happened ; )" From an ex 800 NAS WAFU, now flying F/18's..

[IanMorewood]

I'm sure that if you give bae enough money then those 14 aircraft could be ready to fly off QE2 by the time she has finished sea trials, there are also a few other frs2's about the world that could be acquired and reconditioned at the same time. It wouldn't be economically viable of course but then nor is having an aircraft carrier with no fixed wing aircraft.

[Riff Raff]

IanMorewood said:

I'm sure that if you give bae enough money then those 14 aircraft could be ready to fly off QE2 by the time she has finished sea trials, there are also a few other frs2's about the world that could be acquired and reconditioned at the same time. It wouldn't be economically viable of course but then nor is having an aircraft carrier with no fixed wing aircraft.

I genuinely don't know the answer to this, but will there be any fixed wing aircraft ready to fly off P.O.W. when she comes into service?

[aeropilot]

Riff Raff said:

IanMorewood said:

I'm sure that if you give bae enough money then those 14 aircraft could be ready to fly off QE2 by the time she has finished sea trials, there are also a few other frs2's about the world that could be acquired and reconditioned at the same time. It wouldn't be economically viable of course but then nor is having an aircraft carrier with no fixed wing aircraft.

I genuinely don't know the answer to this, but will there be any fixed wing aircraft ready to fly off P.O.W. when she comes into service?

The official line is there will be - sort of.

But given the issue with the F-35 project in general still, what the official line is and what will be the reality is another matter.

I'm sure the Govt./MOD know what they are doing though.

[Yertis]

Ginetta G15 Girl said:

Yertis said:

but the Navy look after their gear very well, better than the RAF I would expect.

Could you explain why you think that?

sorry, was typing that while distracted, meant to say something along the lines of " better than involving the RAF".

[Steve vRS]

donutsina911 said:

aeropilot said:

onyx39 said:

donutsina911 said:

We've still got 14 Sea Harriers that apparently work...didn't know that

http://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/news-and-latest-activi...

So the engines are limited to they cannot take off, presumably, that could be reversed and the aircraft pressed back into service should the need ever arise?

In a word - no.

Actually in 7 words, the answer is "sure could buddy, stranger things have happened ; )" From an ex 800 NAS WAFU, now flying F/18's..

If you remember back around 33 years ago, some clever RAF types managed to get an obsolete Vulcan to drop a bomb on a small bit of land a few thousand miles away so it is not beyond imagination....

Or have I been reading to many novels ?

Steve