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el stovey said:
There's no doubt a380 sales are disppointing. Airbus themselves even openly talked about disbanding the project entirely last year.
Emirates are almost single handedly keeping production going as it suits their business model perfectly. Most other operators prefer the efficiency of big twins.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/in...
Have they just coincidentally ALL decided to follow the business model of relying on the flexibility & economy of smaller twins, or is the distinctive european jet something they figure isn't palatable for their domestic market, especially while boeing struggle to flog the 747-8? It's not like they don't have some very congested routes suited to it.
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There's no doubt a380 sales are disppointing. Airbus themselves even openly talked about disbanding the project entirely last year.
Emirates are almost single handedly keeping production going as it suits their business model perfectly. Most other operators prefer the efficiency of big twins.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/in...kk.
I've pondered a conspicuous absence from the orders list- american carriers.
Have they just coincidentally ALL decided to follow the business model of relying on the flexibility & economy of smaller twins, or is the distinctive european jet something they figure isn't palatable for their domestic market, especially while boeing struggle to flog the 747-8? It's not like they don't have some very congested routes suited to it.I always put it down to not being. American.
hairyben said:
el stovey said:
There's no doubt a380 sales are disppointing. Airbus themselves even openly talked about disbanding the project entirely last year.
Emirates are almost single handedly keeping production going as it suits their business model perfectly. Most other operators prefer the efficiency of big twins.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/in...
I've pondered a conspicuous absence from the orders list- american carriers.
Have they just coincidentally ALL decided to follow the business model of relying on the flexibility & economy of smaller twins, or is the distinctive european jet something they figure isn't palatable for their domestic market, especially while boeing struggle to flog the 747-8? It's not like they don't have some very congested routes suited to it.
There are loads of Airbus aircraft operating with US airlines. Poor A380 sales aren't due to Americans not buying it. What about airlines in China or India or South America or Africa or Russia.
Airlines based in the U.S. (And all over the world) Have ordered loads of A350s
Emirates alone are keeping production lines open.
Airlines based in the U.S. (And all over the world) Have ordered loads of A350s
Emirates alone are keeping production lines open.
el stovey said:
There are loads of Airbus aircraft operating with US airlines. Poor A380 sales aren't due to Americans not buying it. What about airlines in China or India or South America or Africa or Russia.
Airlines based in the U.S. (And all over the world) Have ordered loads of A350s
Emirates alone are keeping production lines open.
I appreciate that US airlines use airbus planes, but most passengers would probably believe you if you told them the plane they were on had been manufactured by oldsmobile. The A380 on the other hand is pretty distinctive.Airlines based in the U.S. (And all over the world) Have ordered loads of A350s
Emirates alone are keeping production lines open.
As for emirates, what makes them so special, how can they operate 4 times and counting as many 380's than the other large flag carriers and make it pay? I know their "building a brand" with a long term view but there must be some sort of sensible return?
hairyben said:
As for emirates, what makes them so special, how can they operate 4 times and counting as many 380's than the other large flag carriers and make it pay? I know their "building a brand" with a long term view but there must be some sort of sensible return?
Dubai is a major hub, it's located near massive population centers so Emirates operates many high density routes.Dubai and thus Emirates are all about having the biggest and newest of everything, they are also supported by the state.
el stovey said:
Dubai is a major hub, it's located near massive population centers so Emirates operates many high density routes.
Dubai and thus Emirates are all about having the biggest and newest of everything, they are also supported by the state.
The first point, that differs from LHR, and the biggest comparable american and asian hub airports how?Dubai and thus Emirates are all about having the biggest and newest of everything, they are also supported by the state.
The second point I get, but they're not buying planes they don't actually need or can use surely?
hairyben said:
The first point, that differs from LHR, and the biggest comparable american and asian hub airports how?
The second point I get, but they're not buying planes they don't actually need or can use surely?
All I can say is whenever I get on them, all classes are packed.The second point I get, but they're not buying planes they don't actually need or can use surely?
Can't remember the last time I got on an emirates flight Uk-Dubai that wasn't 95% full.
Ray Luxury-Yacht said:
Just to set the scene, pre-comment...
I love planes and aircraft me...but apart from having fixed-wing experience with me old man and some of his Captain mates flying around in silly things like Cessnas when I was young...plus a couple of my own introductory pleasure flights...and some well-jammy hours as a pax in ropey old Bell 206's...basically my flying and aircraft experience is definitely that of 'enthusiastic but stupid' amateur
Most fixed-wing stuff still gives me 'the awe', whether military or commercial. Air shows give me 'the feels' too - in fact, if anything, seeing large commercial stuff do things that you wouldn't normally see are definitely more exciting than watching military craft do stuff that you would expect - know what I mean?
I understand the basic 'laws and science' of aviation, love flying whatever aircraft I am lucky enough to get into - and am a general all-round enthusiast.
I've spent time (but not so much as to be a 'nerd') at airports watching stuff come in / go out.
They're all great to watch: but I think there's something that's impressive a few notches above everything else to see, and that is a 747.
Whether as a 'heavy' taking off using loads of runway somewhere - seeing the huge wings flex as they take up the lift to get the thing airbourne; or when one is coming in to land, with all the gear out looking like huge birds' claws waiting for the ground - with full slats and flaps out too giving the aircraft an appearance of something totally amazing..? All happening at a speed that appears (from the ground) to be waaay too slow for such a huge thing to be doing that!
But anyway, sorry for the soft-focus tangent"! The point of the thread is - that usually, for the most part, aircraft that are designed right and fly right, also 'look right' if you know what I mean? Even 747's with all their slats and flaps extended somehow 'look right' in that configuration, despite being so big?
So why is it that every time I see an A380, I just cannot rationalise the look of the thing? Yes, they've been flying without incident since introduction (ok, apart from the blown Trent 1000) and I was watching a programme about the Emirates aircraft where the chief pilot said they are a dream to fly....despite ALL that, to me, they just look...totally wrong in every way, every proportion, every angle?
A truly ugly, ungainly, horrendous looking aircraft - in my opinion of course. But just doesn't look like it's got any right to fly, let alone fly in a graceful and complimentary manner.
Do ya know what I mean?
Yeah I know, cool story bro - but just wondered if others thought the same way, or if I am just being a tit?
Trent 900.....I love planes and aircraft me...but apart from having fixed-wing experience with me old man and some of his Captain mates flying around in silly things like Cessnas when I was young...plus a couple of my own introductory pleasure flights...and some well-jammy hours as a pax in ropey old Bell 206's...basically my flying and aircraft experience is definitely that of 'enthusiastic but stupid' amateur
Most fixed-wing stuff still gives me 'the awe', whether military or commercial. Air shows give me 'the feels' too - in fact, if anything, seeing large commercial stuff do things that you wouldn't normally see are definitely more exciting than watching military craft do stuff that you would expect - know what I mean?
I understand the basic 'laws and science' of aviation, love flying whatever aircraft I am lucky enough to get into - and am a general all-round enthusiast.
I've spent time (but not so much as to be a 'nerd') at airports watching stuff come in / go out.
They're all great to watch: but I think there's something that's impressive a few notches above everything else to see, and that is a 747.
Whether as a 'heavy' taking off using loads of runway somewhere - seeing the huge wings flex as they take up the lift to get the thing airbourne; or when one is coming in to land, with all the gear out looking like huge birds' claws waiting for the ground - with full slats and flaps out too giving the aircraft an appearance of something totally amazing..? All happening at a speed that appears (from the ground) to be waaay too slow for such a huge thing to be doing that!
But anyway, sorry for the soft-focus tangent"! The point of the thread is - that usually, for the most part, aircraft that are designed right and fly right, also 'look right' if you know what I mean? Even 747's with all their slats and flaps extended somehow 'look right' in that configuration, despite being so big?
So why is it that every time I see an A380, I just cannot rationalise the look of the thing? Yes, they've been flying without incident since introduction (ok, apart from the blown Trent 1000) and I was watching a programme about the Emirates aircraft where the chief pilot said they are a dream to fly....despite ALL that, to me, they just look...totally wrong in every way, every proportion, every angle?
A truly ugly, ungainly, horrendous looking aircraft - in my opinion of course. But just doesn't look like it's got any right to fly, let alone fly in a graceful and complimentary manner.
Do ya know what I mean?
Yeah I know, cool story bro - but just wondered if others thought the same way, or if I am just being a tit?
desolate said:
hairyben said:
The first point, that differs from LHR, and the biggest comparable american and asian hub airports how?
The second point I get, but they're not buying planes they don't actually need or can use surely?
All I can say is whenever I get on them, all classes are packed.The second point I get, but they're not buying planes they don't actually need or can use surely?
Can't remember the last time I got on an emirates flight Uk-Dubai that wasn't 95% full.
Only on one flight leaving at 2:30am have I not had a smelly neighbour on the way to or from Dubai
desolate said:
HoHoHo said:
The man's right.
Only on one flight leaving at 2:30am have I not had a smelly neighbour on the way to or from Dubai
I once got to snore all the way over sat next to Helen Flanagan.Only on one flight leaving at 2:30am have I not had a smelly neighbour on the way to or from Dubai
But as I am in no way an old pervert, I didn't smirk at all.
HoHoHo said:
desolate said:
hairyben said:
The first point, that differs from LHR, and the biggest comparable american and asian hub airports how?
The second point I get, but they're not buying planes they don't actually need or can use surely?
All I can say is whenever I get on them, all classes are packed.The second point I get, but they're not buying planes they don't actually need or can use surely?
Can't remember the last time I got on an emirates flight Uk-Dubai that wasn't 95% full.
Only on one flight leaving at 2:30am have I not had a smelly neighbour on the way to or from Dubai
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