F35's cleared for flight!!
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MartG said:
Watching it makes me sad that thanks to the bloody stupid decision to virtually give ours away we can no longer do this ( not to mention any 'savings' made being gobbled up by having to operate Tornadoes with tanker support over Syria etc. instead of Harriers from a carrier just offshore )
I wouldn't have thought you'd need tanker support to operate Tonkas over Syria given the proximity of a rather large permanently moored aircraft carrier in the shape of Cyprus just off their coast.......???MartG said:
Watching it makes me sad that thanks to the bloody stupid decision to virtually give ours away we can no longer do this ( not to mention any 'savings' made being gobbled up by having to operate Tornadoes with tanker support over Syria etc. instead of Harriers from a carrier just offshore )
Harrier could not carry Storm Shadow, nor could it carry Dual-Mode Brimstone. WRT Single-Mode Brimstone, Harrier did not have a full RTS (Release to Service) to carry it, merely an operational emergency clearance.In this post Haddon-Cave world that would not have stood up to scrutiny for very long.
So, aside from the fact Harrier already had an earlier OSD (Out of Service Date) than did Tornado, it would have cost more ££ to give it what amounted to less capability than Tornado.
Edited by Ginetta G15 Girl on Tuesday 22 July 23:31
aeropilot said:
MartG said:
Watching it makes me sad that thanks to the bloody stupid decision to virtually give ours away we can no longer do this ( not to mention any 'savings' made being gobbled up by having to operate Tornadoes with tanker support over Syria etc. instead of Harriers from a carrier just offshore )
I wouldn't have thought you'd need tanker support to operate Tonkas over Syria given the proximity of a rather large permanently moored aircraft carrier in the shape of Cyprus just off their coast.......???Burrow01 said:
aeropilot said:
MartG said:
Watching it makes me sad that thanks to the bloody stupid decision to virtually give ours away we can no longer do this ( not to mention any 'savings' made being gobbled up by having to operate Tornadoes with tanker support over Syria etc. instead of Harriers from a carrier just offshore )
I wouldn't have thought you'd need tanker support to operate Tonkas over Syria given the proximity of a rather large permanently moored aircraft carrier in the shape of Cyprus just off their coast.......???RobGT81 said:
Storm Shadows are ideal and cost effective for blowing up mud huts and Toyota Hilux.
I can just see the Targetting Cell putting 'mud huts and Toyotas' on the JPITL (Joint Prioritised Integrated Target List). 
RobGT81 said:
Harrier was getting Brimstone as part of its next capability upgrade which had just started a matter of days before SDRS.
If you read what I wrote above you will have noticed that I stated that Harrier had an emergency operational clearance for Single-Mode Brimstone. It may well have eventually achieved a full RTS for it, but it would never have got one for Dual-Mode Brimstone (which really would have rather limited its capability).Edited by Ginetta G15 Girl on Wednesday 23 July 19:41
PaulG40 said:
DMS had it's issues on the GR9 during trials, once case in point being when it decided to come off the left hand launcher and make a sharp right hand turn in front of one very shocked pilot.
Still, it's RTS was a null point as soon as the end was announced.
That wasn't just a DMS issue - MBDA declared it was a "feature" of the autopilot software common to all variants (I had no end of fun with that during my BR time...)Still, it's RTS was a null point as soon as the end was announced.
Burrow01 said:
aeropilot said:
I wouldn't have thought you'd need tanker support to operate Tonkas over Syria given the proximity of a rather large permanently moored aircraft carrier in the shape of Cyprus just off their coast.......???
Also you think that a few tankers are more expensive to deploy than a whole carrier group?
Ian Lancs said:
PaulG40 said:
DMS had it's issues on the GR9 during trials, once case in point being when it decided to come off the left hand launcher and make a sharp right hand turn in front of one very shocked pilot.
Still, it's RTS was a null point as soon as the end was announced.
That wasn't just a DMS issue - MBDA declared it was a "feature" of the autopilot software common to all variants (I had no end of fun with that during my BR time...)Still, it's RTS was a null point as soon as the end was announced.
Although, I always thought that the RTS was definitely not a DMS issue but more a WTF and ROFL issue.
Eric Mc said:
Ian Lancs said:
PaulG40 said:
DMS had it's issues on the GR9 during trials, once case in point being when it decided to come off the left hand launcher and make a sharp right hand turn in front of one very shocked pilot.
Still, it's RTS was a null point as soon as the end was announced.
That wasn't just a DMS issue - MBDA declared it was a "feature" of the autopilot software common to all variants (I had no end of fun with that during my BR time...)Still, it's RTS was a null point as soon as the end was announced.
Although, I always thought that the RTS was definitely not a DMS issue but more a WTF and ROFL issue.
Burrow01 said:
Eric Mc said:
Ian Lancs said:
PaulG40 said:
DMS had it's issues on the GR9 during trials, once case in point being when it decided to come off the left hand launcher and make a sharp right hand turn in front of one very shocked pilot.
Still, it's RTS was a null point as soon as the end was announced.
That wasn't just a DMS issue - MBDA declared it was a "feature" of the autopilot software common to all variants (I had no end of fun with that during my BR time...)Still, it's RTS was a null point as soon as the end was announced.
Although, I always thought that the RTS was definitely not a DMS issue but more a WTF and ROFL issue.
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Penguinracer said:
I still can't understand the logic behind not plumbing for the F35C & EMALS Carriers?
With a 50-year carrier design life surely commonsense would dictate going with the latest possible technology notwithstanding the early adopter risks.
Or, even better - two operational carriers with a full complement of proven aircraft, for £20billion less than one carrier with a handful of unproven lumps. Super Hornet seems to have done a good enough job for US/AUS and the FAA chaps love it..With a 50-year carrier design life surely commonsense would dictate going with the latest possible technology notwithstanding the early adopter risks.
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