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Discussion
Crossflow Kid said:
I can't quite figure out why they don't have rotary ops out there and do away with the dicey approaches to mountain ridges.
Some of the distances quoted are well with the range of even a small heli and although the altitudes are a bit errr....interesting they're certainly not show-stoppers.
Cost and reliability?Some of the distances quoted are well with the range of even a small heli and although the altitudes are a bit errr....interesting they're certainly not show-stoppers.
Crossflow Kid said:
I can't quite figure out why they don't have rotary ops out there and do away with the dicey approaches to mountain ridges.
Some of the distances quoted are well with the range of even a small heli and although the altitudes are a bit errr....interesting they're certainly not show-stoppers.
Cost and payload I'd imagine.Some of the distances quoted are well with the range of even a small heli and although the altitudes are a bit errr....interesting they're certainly not show-stoppers.
Silent1 said:
Watching it made me look up how much a CPL costs and it seems it's around the £6k-£8k mark which isn't all that bad
I think you're mistaken. You won't go from zero to CPL for £6-8K.There may be CPL courses which are 6-8K, but I bet if you look at the entry requirements it states one of the entry requirements as "you need a PPL".
Zero to CPL is more like 15K+ especially in the UK given the weather.
CPL isn't worth much without an instrument rating to go with it (IR). If you're looking at a career in aviation, you'll need to lob these two costs together (and sit the exams for ATPL!).
Interesting programme tho - I could think of much 'worse places to be a pilot' - looks bloody good to me and a great place to cut your teeth. . . .
Interesting programme tho - I could think of much 'worse places to be a pilot' - looks bloody good to me and a great place to cut your teeth. . . .
mattdaniels said:
Crossflow Kid said:
I can't quite figure out why they don't have rotary ops out there and do away with the dicey approaches to mountain ridges.
Some of the distances quoted are well with the range of even a small heli and although the altitudes are a bit errr....interesting they're certainly not show-stoppers.
Cost and payload I'd imagine.Some of the distances quoted are well with the range of even a small heli and although the altitudes are a bit errr....interesting they're certainly not show-stoppers.
Very cost effective.
Wow! So many questions 
For comparison there's an airstrip we go to regularly that is 270m and totally flat, we land at max landing weight (2400kgs) and stop in around 150-200m depending on how wet the grass/mud is.
Siko said:
The Pilatus looks like it has amazing STOL performance too, what sort of distance can you land it in?
It depends on many factors, namely how heavy we are on landing, how much slope there is, altitude of the airstrip, surface etc. But the short answer is I test landed on a 180m long strip with a 20% up-slope the other month with just myself and fuel on board and stopped in about 70m. I had to add power to get to the top For comparison there's an airstrip we go to regularly that is 270m and totally flat, we land at max landing weight (2400kgs) and stop in around 150-200m depending on how wet the grass/mud is.djc206 said:
I loved that steep uphill strip that the kiwi bloke landed on that had taken the locals 14 years to build. It looked like some fantastic and occasionally hairy flying. I understood from the younger guys that they were using it as a stepping stone into flying commercially back in the UK but do you not think going from that to flying back and forth to Majorca all day would be a bit boring in comparison?
Almost all those younger guys won't be doing that sort of bush flying. They stick to the two pilot Cessna Caravan operations which are much more like airline flying with tarmac runway to tarmac runway. As the show says, they're here to clock up hours and move on to airline stuff. As for the Porter flying into remote, hillside airstrips, that's for the guys like myself who enjoy bush flying and have no desire to move to airline stuff which would indeed be bloody boring! croyde said:
Again, out of interest, what bits were over dramatised. Thought it was pretty tame compared to the usual TV fodder and by the end of the first programme, we as a viewer, were becoming completely unfazed by the short, bumpy mountain top landing strips biggrin This thanks to how calm and collected the young pilots were.
Thanks! Obviously as it's a TV show they over-dramatised most of it. Whilst landing on roughly prepared airstrips does have a certain amount of risk to it, we practice this sort of thing continually and it becomes very routine which is probably why we come across as calm and collected. If things are getting exciting, you're probably not doing it right!Crossflow Kid said:
I can't quite figure out why they don't have rotary ops out there and do away with the dicey approaches to mountain ridges.
Some of the distances quoted are well with the range of even a small heli and although the altitudes are a bit errr....interesting they're certainly not show-stoppers.
All down to cost. A heli is more than twice the cost to operate and won't be able to take the same kind of loads the fixed wing stuff can. I usually carry 850kgs and you'd need a large, expensive heli to haul that sort of load. It's no where near a dicey as the TV makes it out to be.Some of the distances quoted are well with the range of even a small heli and although the altitudes are a bit errr....interesting they're certainly not show-stoppers.
Quattromaster said:
Moose, can I ask, what are the " square metal bits" sitting just behind the main wheels.
Those are stone guards to help prevent stones being thrown into the flaps and horizontal stabiliser during take-offs and landings. The locals however seem to think they're a step to help climb into the aircraft so they regularly get broken... 
mattdaniels said:
Silent1 said:
Watching it made me look up how much a CPL costs and it seems it's around the £6k-£8k mark which isn't all that bad
I think you're mistaken. You won't go from zero to CPL for £6-8K.There may be CPL courses which are 6-8K, but I bet if you look at the entry requirements it states one of the entry requirements as "you need a PPL".
Zero to CPL is more like 15K+ especially in the UK given the weather.
k that!!!!!!!!
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