Independent Scottish Air Force

[Taita]

Why would our leaders bend over and give them a Sqn.

If they want out, cut them out but don't be giving them the best possible start to our own detriment.

[jmorgan]

Max_Torque said:

Who exactly is going to invade Scotland?? The weathers terrible!!

Think of the oil, the US will find a reason, cruelty to haggis or something.

[Lincsblokey]

Ayahuasca said:

Yes I know another Sweaty thread. sorry.

Anyway, if they go indy, I understand they will claim a squadron of Typhoons among other defence assets.

Question- how will they go about training the pilots ... ?

I guess from BAE's point of view the servicing contract will be a licence to print money...

Also, where will they train their army officers...?

They cant claim anything, they will have to start from scratch!

[DMN]

In answer to the OP:
http://thinpinstripedline.blogspot.co.uk/2013/11/a...

To paraphrase: They want the shiny things, but will never be able to afford to actually use them

[Johnnytheboy]

jmorgan said:

Max_Torque said:

Who exactly is going to invade Scotland?? The weathers terrible!!

Think of the oil, the US will find a reason, cruelty to haggis or something.

If history is a guide it'll be the English.

[Speculatore]

Salmond said in his speech last night that once independent they will remove that unnecessary Nuclear Deterrent from their waters. There goes a couple of thousand jobs in one area. I wonder if the Tridents can fit in to Devonport?

[anonymous-user]

SlipStream77 said:

Ginetta G15 Girl said:

I'd like to know how Salmond thinks he is going to pay for a Sqn of Typhoons, associated ground equipment, and the required levels of training.

I wondered this too, and why are we handing over ours? Surely they should put orders in for new ones like everyone else does.

The SNP believe that as they, as part of the UK, have contributed to the acquisition cost some of the assets, they get to keep them... 12 Typhoons is in addition to 2 Frigates, 4 MCMVs and a whole host of Army equipment.... they still dont seem to get the relationship between debt and assets though, you cant forgoe one and still have the other.... There are gaps in their Defence "policy" large enough to fly a typhoon through!

Edited by anonymous-user on Thursday 18th September 09:32

[Simpo Two]

pablo said:

The SNP believe that as they, as part of the UK, have contributed to the acquisition cost some of the assets, they get to keep them...

The UK has contributed to the cost of Scotland but may not get to keep it... let's face it, the Scots are after a smash and grab supermarket sweep, out to grab as much as they can for themselves. And Cameron may be soft enough to let them.

[ralphrj]

Ginetta G15 Girl said:

I'd like to know how Salmond thinks he is going to pay for a Sqn of Typhoons, associated ground equipment, and the required levels of training.

^This, but also what are they going to arm them with? Would all of the current armaments be made available to newly independent Scotland?

[S3_Graham]

DMN said:

In answer to the OP:
http://thinpinstripedline.blogspot.co.uk/2013/11/a...

To paraphrase: They want the shiny things, but will never be able to afford to actually use them

interesting:

'The MOD currently estimates that Typhoon costs £70k per hour to fly (full costs), so assuming that it flies for 30 hours per airframe per month over a year (an averaged figure as there will be peaks and troughs), you suddenly realise that it would cost £2.1 million per month, £25 million per year to keep each aircraft going, or a total of nearly £300 million per year to ensure that two jets were constantly available for QRA. This is well over 10% of the putative budget. Add to this the operating costs of RAF Lossiemouth currently exceed £100m per year, and you realise that nearly 20% of the SDF budget is going to be taken up just to run QRA.'

[Speculatore]

As much as I would not wish to see the demise of the 'United Kingdom' I am starting to think what fun it would be to watch this new independent 'Self-Supporting' country do with it's new found independence. I heard yesterday, (Not sure if true or not) but 18% of people in the current UK claiming some sort of benefits are from Scotland.

On a positive note you would be able to get to the bar in Blackpool...

[trashbat]

I'm not even remotely Scotch but if this is the standard of discourse on the matter outside Scotland, I'd be more than encouraged to vote Yes.

Wot no expensive ornaments to enrich BAES shareholders? Call the whole thing off!

[Grandad7184]

if it does go a yes decision Davie's idea of shutting down the forces in Germany and then using bases in Scotland looks like it will be dead in the water.

[CrutyRammers]

Taita said:

Why would our leaders bend over and give them a Sqn.

Because they are weak.

[MartG]

pablo said:

SlipStream77 said:

Ginetta G15 Girl said:

I'd like to know how Salmond thinks he is going to pay for a Sqn of Typhoons, associated ground equipment, and the required levels of training.

I wondered this too, and why are we handing over ours? Surely they should put orders in for new ones like everyone else does.

The SNP believe that as they, as part of the UK, have contributed to the acquisition cost some of the assets, they get to keep them... 12 Typhoons is in addition to 2 Frigates, 4 MCMVs and a whole host of Army equipment.... they still dont seem to get the relationship between debt and assets though, you cant forgoe one and still have the other.... There are gaps in their Defence "policy" large enough to fly a typhoon through!

Edited by pablo on Thursday 18th September 09:32

Yes, they see a proportion of the UK's assets as belonging to them, but repeatedly refuse to acknowledge their proportion of the national debt. Political smoke & mirrors at it's very best

[trashbat]

MartG said:

Yes, they see a proportion of the UK's assets as belonging to them, but repeatedly refuse to acknowledge their proportion of the national debt. Political smoke & mirrors at it's very best

Except that it's not true.

http://www.yesscotland.net/answers/what-about-uks-...

[Junior Bianno]

trashbat said:

I'm not even remotely Scotch but if this is the standard of discourse on the matter outside Scotland, I'd be more than encouraged to vote Yes.

I am Scottish, and totally anti-independence, but completely agree that the tone on this thread is pretty distasteful. Remember a massive chunk of the Scottish population didn't ask for, or want, this vote.

...and while Sweaty is hardly the world's most derogatory word, it's not exactly friendly or pleasant. Don't care if you use it - just don't pretend it's not intended as a bit of an insult.

[civicduty]

And the chances of America allowing any of their equipment to be used by a nation outside of NATO, Europe or who isn't a major world power is probably next to nil.

[jamieduff1981]

Junior Bianno said:

trashbat said:

I'm not even remotely Scotch but if this is the standard of discourse on the matter outside Scotland, I'd be more than encouraged to vote Yes.

I am Scottish, and totally anti-independence, but completely agree that the tone on this thread is pretty distasteful. Remember a massive chunk of the Scottish population didn't ask for, or want, this vote.

...and while Sweaty is hardly the world's most derogatory word, it's not exactly friendly or pleasant. Don't care if you use it - just don't pretend it's not intended as a bit of an insult.

This.

Please do not make the mistake of claiming "the Scots" demand this or that or fail to appreciate whatever else. "The Scots" are Alex Salmond. "The Scots" appears to be a collective noun encapsulating 5 million people who disagree with each other.

Alex Salmond does not speak for me.

[Eric Mc]

A bit like the Irish - or any other nation, for that matter. No one view promoted by one clique of politicians is ever going to reflect the diverse views held in most nations.