what has our military lost during austerity measures

what has our military lost during austerity measures

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steve j

3,223 posts

227 months

Saturday 11th October 2014
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Mojocvh said:
" In fact, the Master Arm switch had 1/4 inch tape applied over it as an added attention getter, "



Actually, NO it didn't.

It didn't because the BoE stated that the Squadron Armourers had run out of it, on the day...
Let me assure you, it did, they asked for red tape which had all been used, so white tape was placed over the switch, I saw it applied as part of the switch check prior to loading, fact !

Mojocvh

16,837 posts

261 months

Saturday 11th October 2014
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"they asked for red tape which had all been used"

So you agree that your Squadron deviated from procedure because the subject trade group either..
1. said fk it It'll do
OR
2. were so fking simple they couldn't keep tabs on the most basic of logistical supplies
OR
3. go back to 1

Und, where was the deviation from procedure written down for the aircrew to sign?

This pish REALLY fks me off, we lost a perfectly good aircraft because YOUR outfit couldn't or wouldn't flag up what was going south, period.

Thank fk you cowboys never had 177's.

smile

Edited by Mojocvh on Saturday 11th October 23:15

steve j

3,223 posts

227 months

Saturday 11th October 2014
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Mojocvh said:
"they asked for red tape which had all been used"

So you agree that your Squadron deviated from procedure because the subject trade group either..
1. said fk it It'll do
OR
2. were so fking simple they couldn't keep tabs on the most basic of logistical supplies
OR
3. go back to 1



Edited by Mojocvh on Saturday 11th October 23:06
Good grief, it was an added safety measure, all of the crew were more than happy with white tape and thankfull for it, I am trying to fathom out your attitude, which quite frankly stinks.
1. The red tape, which had only just been acquired had been exhausted, let`s inform the crews and see if they will accept white.
2. White is acceptable, it`s better than nothing was the reply.
3. The added safety measures carried out, were way and above what was required.

It was not a procedure and it was a locally carried out safety measure called for by the aircrew and a bloody good idea too. No deviation occured at all. I`m going to ignore your petty remarks.


Edited by steve j on Saturday 11th October 23:34

Ginetta G15 Girl

3,220 posts

183 months

Sunday 12th October 2014
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You've flown RAF aircraft then have you Steve?

No?

Really?


I thought not.

I, on the other hand, have.



But you know what it is to to fly an Armed Aircraft? You know the ins and outs of carrying weapons eh?



You mean you don't come across as someone who knows actually what happened (despite) the BOI?

Quite frankly your 'explanations' are bks, but hey let's blame the aircrew for a corporate failing.

You sir are a fking pillock of the first order.

I am just glad you never got to work on my aircraft.

steve j

3,223 posts

227 months

Sunday 12th October 2014
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Ginetta G15 Girl said:
You've flown RAF aircraft then have you Steve?

No?

Really?


I thought not.

I, on the other hand, have.



But you know what it is to to fly an Armed Aircraft? You know the ins and outs of carrying weapons eh?



You mean you don't come across as someone who knows actually what happened (despite) the BOI?

Quite frankly your 'explanations' are bks, but hey let's blame the aircrew for a corporate failing.

You sir are a fking pillock of the first order.

I am just glad you never got to work on my aircraft.
Keep the insults coming, which are pretty pathetic, Boscombe Down was my final place of employment on weapon trials, did you do that ? I thought not. I merely stated my humble views and the facts and opinions from the squadron after the unfortunate incident. You`re correct, I never did fly a fully armed aircraft, pretty obvious I think. If, as you say "Lets blame the aircrew" then so be it, I saw the whole event from start to finish ! I did feel sorry for the guy, I`m just glad that the Jaguar pilot got out. As for the little dig about working on your aircraft, well it amused me.

Joey Ramone

2,150 posts

124 months

Sunday 12th October 2014
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Elroy Blue said:
What a ridiculous comment. Some of the battles that took place in Iraq and Afghanistan rivalled those that took place in Korea.

Insofar that they rivalled some of the really small, insignificant battles fought in Korea.

Not pleasant to be getting a leathering off the Taliban, that's for sure. But nothing whatsoever like the Battle for Imjin river, for example. A brigade facing off a Chinese infantry division, an entire battalion taken prisoner, 60 killed in action and 34 dying in captivity. Nothing whatsoever like that happened in either Iraq or Afghan.

ecsrobin

17,019 posts

164 months

Sunday 12th October 2014
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In the left corner Steve who was there, in the right corner Ginetta who wasn't there in the middle mojo who is extremely upset we lost a jaguar that would now have been scrapped, in a museum or at Cosford.

Steve unfortunatley you can't win this one. As everyone knows the pilot is always right......

eccles

13,720 posts

221 months

Sunday 12th October 2014
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Ginetta G15 Girl said:
but hey let's blame the aircrew for a corporate failing.
Aircrew aren't shy of blaming groundcrew for their own failings. Having been on the receiving end of their lies twice, I can certainly vouch for that!

steve j

3,223 posts

227 months

Sunday 12th October 2014
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ecsrobin said:
In the left corner Steve who was there, in the right corner Ginetta who wasn't there in the middle mojo who is extremely upset we lost a jaguar that would now have been scrapped, in a museum or at Cosford.

Steve unfortunatley you can't win this one. As everyone knows the pilot is always right......
I know hehe Abusive too.

Mojocvh

16,837 posts

261 months

Sunday 12th October 2014
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"mojo who is extremely upset we lost a jaguar that would now have been scrapped"

The way the crews, both air and ground, were treated in the final dismantlement of the Jaguar Force was utterly disgraceful.

Mojocvh

16,837 posts

261 months

Sunday 12th October 2014
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eccles said:
Ginetta G15 Girl said:
but hey let's blame the aircrew for a corporate failing.
Aircrew aren't shy of blaming groundcrew for their own failings. Having been on the receiving end of their lies twice, I can certainly vouch for that!
ADR's on the other hand, are marvelous devices............. wink

eccles

13,720 posts

221 months

Sunday 12th October 2014
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Mojocvh said:
eccles said:
Ginetta G15 Girl said:
but hey let's blame the aircrew for a corporate failing.
Aircrew aren't shy of blaming groundcrew for their own failings. Having been on the receiving end of their lies twice, I can certainly vouch for that!
ADR's on the other hand, are marvelous devices............. wink
Mine didn't involve ADR's (although many an aircrew has been caught out by them), just outright lying to protect their own arses. One involved significant damage to an aircraft and bit landing in a garden in Holland, the other was the embarrassment of spreading a F700 across the airfield and neighbouring village by leaving on the wing before take off.
To paraphrase ' I learnt about aircrew from that'

steve j

3,223 posts

227 months

Sunday 12th October 2014
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Ginetta G15 Girl said:
You've flown RAF aircraft then have you Steve?

No?

Really?


I thought not.

I, on the other hand, have.



But you know what it is to to fly an Armed Aircraft? You know the ins and outs of carrying weapons eh?



You mean you don't come across as someone who knows actually what happened (despite) the BOI?

Quite frankly your 'explanations' are bks, but hey let's blame the aircrew for a corporate failing.

You sir are a fking pillock of the first order.

I am just glad you never got to work on my aircraft.
I may be wrong, but were you a hercules pilot ?


ecsrobin

17,019 posts

164 months

Sunday 12th October 2014
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steve j said:
I may be wrong, but were you a hercules pilot ?
I believe she was, but I'm guessing she's bitter as she probably got chopped from FJ training.

ecain63

10,588 posts

174 months

Sunday 12th October 2014
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Joey Ramone said:

Insofar that they rivalled some of the really small, insignificant battles fought in Korea.

Not pleasant to be getting a leathering off the Taliban, that's for sure. But nothing whatsoever like the Battle for Imjin river, for example. A brigade facing off a Chinese infantry division, an entire battalion taken prisoner, 60 killed in action and 34 dying in captivity. Nothing whatsoever like that happened in either Iraq or Afghan.
Your experience?

Some here have been to Afghanistan and Iraq. There is little difference between the violence and destruction shown by a force of 50 fighting a force of 50 vs a force of 5000 fighting a force of 5000. It's really just 100 smaller firefights spread over a larger area. Each man is measured against a similar opposition.


anonymous-user

53 months

Sunday 12th October 2014
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Well this gets my vote as Ruined Thread of the Year rolleyes
I was groundcrew AND aircrew so you can all fk off.

anonymous-user

53 months

Monday 13th October 2014
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Yeah that got quite nasty. Ho hum.

From my point of view, what we "have lost" is far less tangible than actual kit and hardware but is a result of the "contractorisation" of defence and the roles that were previously the realm of the forces/MoD, aircrfat depth maintenance for one, now completed by BAE, Babcock et al. People get too emotive about kit, closing down St Athan for example has cost the Country billions.

RobGT81

5,227 posts

185 months

Monday 13th October 2014
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Mojocvh

16,837 posts

261 months

Monday 13th October 2014
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eccles said:
Mojocvh said:
eccles said:
Ginetta G15 Girl said:
but hey let's blame the aircrew for a corporate failing.
Aircrew aren't shy of blaming groundcrew for their own failings. Having been on the receiving end of their lies twice, I can certainly vouch for that!
ADR's on the other hand, are marvelous devices............. wink
Mine didn't involve ADR's (although many an aircrew has been caught out by them), just outright lying to protect their own arses. One involved significant damage to an aircraft and bit landing in a garden in Holland, the other was the embarrassment of spreading a F700 across the airfield and neighbouring village by leaving on the wing before take off.
To paraphrase ' I learnt about aircrew from that'
Maps were always good for a laugh. Well unless you were a sooty of course....

steve j

3,223 posts

227 months

Monday 13th October 2014
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ecsrobin said:
I believe she was, but I'm guessing she's bitter as she probably got chopped from FJ training.
A taxi driver then, fully qualified in the carraige of armament wink