what has our military lost during austerity measures
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Mojocvh said:
" In fact, the Master Arm switch had 1/4 inch tape applied over it as an added attention getter, "
Actually, NO it didn't.
It didn't because the BoE stated that the Squadron Armourers had run out of it, on the day...
Let me assure you, it did, they asked for red tape which had all been used, so white tape was placed over the switch, I saw it applied as part of the switch check prior to loading, fact !Actually, NO it didn't.
It didn't because the BoE stated that the Squadron Armourers had run out of it, on the day...
"they asked for red tape which had all been used"
So you agree that your Squadron deviated from procedure because the subject trade group either..
1. said fk it It'll do
OR
2. were so fking simple they couldn't keep tabs on the most basic of logistical supplies
OR
3. go back to 1
Und, where was the deviation from procedure written down for the aircrew to sign?
This pish REALLY fks me off, we lost a perfectly good aircraft because YOUR outfit couldn't or wouldn't flag up what was going south, period.
Thank fk you cowboys never had 177's.
So you agree that your Squadron deviated from procedure because the subject trade group either..
1. said fk it It'll do
OR
2. were so fking simple they couldn't keep tabs on the most basic of logistical supplies
OR
3. go back to 1
Und, where was the deviation from procedure written down for the aircrew to sign?
This pish REALLY fks me off, we lost a perfectly good aircraft because YOUR outfit couldn't or wouldn't flag up what was going south, period.
Thank fk you cowboys never had 177's.
Edited by Mojocvh on Saturday 11th October 23:15
Mojocvh said:
"they asked for red tape which had all been used"
So you agree that your Squadron deviated from procedure because the subject trade group either..
1. said fk it It'll do
OR
2. were so fking simple they couldn't keep tabs on the most basic of logistical supplies
OR
3. go back to 1
Good grief, it was an added safety measure, all of the crew were more than happy with white tape and thankfull for it, I am trying to fathom out your attitude, which quite frankly stinks.So you agree that your Squadron deviated from procedure because the subject trade group either..
1. said fk it It'll do
OR
2. were so fking simple they couldn't keep tabs on the most basic of logistical supplies
OR
3. go back to 1
Edited by Mojocvh on Saturday 11th October 23:06
1. The red tape, which had only just been acquired had been exhausted, let`s inform the crews and see if they will accept white.
2. White is acceptable, it`s better than nothing was the reply.
3. The added safety measures carried out, were way and above what was required.
It was not a procedure and it was a locally carried out safety measure called for by the aircrew and a bloody good idea too. No deviation occured at all. I`m going to ignore your petty remarks.
Edited by steve j on Saturday 11th October 23:34
You've flown RAF aircraft then have you Steve?
No?
Really?
I thought not.
I, on the other hand, have.
But you know what it is to to fly an Armed Aircraft? You know the ins and outs of carrying weapons eh?
You mean you don't come across as someone who knows actually what happened (despite) the BOI?
Quite frankly your 'explanations' are bks, but hey let's blame the aircrew for a corporate failing.
You sir are a fking pillock of the first order.
I am just glad you never got to work on my aircraft.
No?
Really?
I thought not.
I, on the other hand, have.
But you know what it is to to fly an Armed Aircraft? You know the ins and outs of carrying weapons eh?
You mean you don't come across as someone who knows actually what happened (despite) the BOI?
Quite frankly your 'explanations' are bks, but hey let's blame the aircrew for a corporate failing.
You sir are a fking pillock of the first order.
I am just glad you never got to work on my aircraft.
Ginetta G15 Girl said:
You've flown RAF aircraft then have you Steve?
No?
Really?
I thought not.
I, on the other hand, have.
But you know what it is to to fly an Armed Aircraft? You know the ins and outs of carrying weapons eh?
You mean you don't come across as someone who knows actually what happened (despite) the BOI?
Quite frankly your 'explanations' are bks, but hey let's blame the aircrew for a corporate failing.
You sir are a fking pillock of the first order.
I am just glad you never got to work on my aircraft.
Keep the insults coming, which are pretty pathetic, Boscombe Down was my final place of employment on weapon trials, did you do that ? I thought not. I merely stated my humble views and the facts and opinions from the squadron after the unfortunate incident. You`re correct, I never did fly a fully armed aircraft, pretty obvious I think. If, as you say "Lets blame the aircrew" then so be it, I saw the whole event from start to finish ! I did feel sorry for the guy, I`m just glad that the Jaguar pilot got out. As for the little dig about working on your aircraft, well it amused me. No?
Really?
I thought not.
I, on the other hand, have.
But you know what it is to to fly an Armed Aircraft? You know the ins and outs of carrying weapons eh?
You mean you don't come across as someone who knows actually what happened (despite) the BOI?
Quite frankly your 'explanations' are bks, but hey let's blame the aircrew for a corporate failing.
You sir are a fking pillock of the first order.
I am just glad you never got to work on my aircraft.
Elroy Blue said:
What a ridiculous comment. Some of the battles that took place in Iraq and Afghanistan rivalled those that took place in Korea.
Insofar that they rivalled some of the really small, insignificant battles fought in Korea.
Not pleasant to be getting a leathering off the Taliban, that's for sure. But nothing whatsoever like the Battle for Imjin river, for example. A brigade facing off a Chinese infantry division, an entire battalion taken prisoner, 60 killed in action and 34 dying in captivity. Nothing whatsoever like that happened in either Iraq or Afghan.
In the left corner Steve who was there, in the right corner Ginetta who wasn't there in the middle mojo who is extremely upset we lost a jaguar that would now have been scrapped, in a museum or at Cosford.
Steve unfortunatley you can't win this one. As everyone knows the pilot is always right......
Steve unfortunatley you can't win this one. As everyone knows the pilot is always right......
ecsrobin said:
In the left corner Steve who was there, in the right corner Ginetta who wasn't there in the middle mojo who is extremely upset we lost a jaguar that would now have been scrapped, in a museum or at Cosford.
Steve unfortunatley you can't win this one. As everyone knows the pilot is always right......
I know Abusive too.Steve unfortunatley you can't win this one. As everyone knows the pilot is always right......
eccles said:
Ginetta G15 Girl said:
but hey let's blame the aircrew for a corporate failing.
Aircrew aren't shy of blaming groundcrew for their own failings. Having been on the receiving end of their lies twice, I can certainly vouch for that!Mojocvh said:
eccles said:
Ginetta G15 Girl said:
but hey let's blame the aircrew for a corporate failing.
Aircrew aren't shy of blaming groundcrew for their own failings. Having been on the receiving end of their lies twice, I can certainly vouch for that!To paraphrase ' I learnt about aircrew from that'
Ginetta G15 Girl said:
You've flown RAF aircraft then have you Steve?
No?
Really?
I thought not.
I, on the other hand, have.
But you know what it is to to fly an Armed Aircraft? You know the ins and outs of carrying weapons eh?
You mean you don't come across as someone who knows actually what happened (despite) the BOI?
Quite frankly your 'explanations' are bks, but hey let's blame the aircrew for a corporate failing.
You sir are a fking pillock of the first order.
I am just glad you never got to work on my aircraft.
I may be wrong, but were you a hercules pilot ? No?
Really?
I thought not.
I, on the other hand, have.
But you know what it is to to fly an Armed Aircraft? You know the ins and outs of carrying weapons eh?
You mean you don't come across as someone who knows actually what happened (despite) the BOI?
Quite frankly your 'explanations' are bks, but hey let's blame the aircrew for a corporate failing.
You sir are a fking pillock of the first order.
I am just glad you never got to work on my aircraft.
Joey Ramone said:
Insofar that they rivalled some of the really small, insignificant battles fought in Korea.
Not pleasant to be getting a leathering off the Taliban, that's for sure. But nothing whatsoever like the Battle for Imjin river, for example. A brigade facing off a Chinese infantry division, an entire battalion taken prisoner, 60 killed in action and 34 dying in captivity. Nothing whatsoever like that happened in either Iraq or Afghan.
Some here have been to Afghanistan and Iraq. There is little difference between the violence and destruction shown by a force of 50 fighting a force of 50 vs a force of 5000 fighting a force of 5000. It's really just 100 smaller firefights spread over a larger area. Each man is measured against a similar opposition.
Yeah that got quite nasty. Ho hum.
From my point of view, what we "have lost" is far less tangible than actual kit and hardware but is a result of the "contractorisation" of defence and the roles that were previously the realm of the forces/MoD, aircrfat depth maintenance for one, now completed by BAE, Babcock et al. People get too emotive about kit, closing down St Athan for example has cost the Country billions.
From my point of view, what we "have lost" is far less tangible than actual kit and hardware but is a result of the "contractorisation" of defence and the roles that were previously the realm of the forces/MoD, aircrfat depth maintenance for one, now completed by BAE, Babcock et al. People get too emotive about kit, closing down St Athan for example has cost the Country billions.
eccles said:
Mojocvh said:
eccles said:
Ginetta G15 Girl said:
but hey let's blame the aircrew for a corporate failing.
Aircrew aren't shy of blaming groundcrew for their own failings. Having been on the receiving end of their lies twice, I can certainly vouch for that!To paraphrase ' I learnt about aircrew from that'
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