Most seaworthy type of ship?

[AER]

[markmullen]

AER said:

It's a boat.

HTH.

[Hooli]

Efbe said:

onesickpuppy said:

Efbe said:

Harland and Wolff Olympic-class are unsinkable tbh

glad someone did, assumed it was either wasted, or a dust gathering joke.

prob the latter really.

I saw it too, but hadn't been online all weekend. Therefore it wasn't wasted, just waiting

[PanzerCommander]

What defines a boat as a boat and a ship as a ship then?

[dudleybloke]

PanzerCommander said:

What defines a boat as a boat and a ship as a ship then?

I've wondered this before but never got a definite answer.

[TTwiggy]

dudleybloke said:

PanzerCommander said:

What defines a boat as a boat and a ship as a ship then?

I've wondered this before but never got a definite answer.

Despite what anybody may claim, there is no definite answer, as the 'answer' has changed with history.

During the age of sail for instance, anything with less than three masts was a boat. But there would be exceptions to this rule too - if a naval officer holding the rank of post captain were to take temporary command of, say, a schooner (a 'boat') then during the tenure of his command, the 'boat' would become a 'ship'.

When I was in the Andrew I was told by an instructing CPO that a 'boat' is any vessel that can be carried on a 'ship'. But I'm not claiming that to be definitive either.

[Ian Lancs]

TTwiggy said:

dudleybloke said:

PanzerCommander said:

What defines a boat as a boat and a ship as a ship then?

I've wondered this before but never got a definite answer.

Despite what anybody may claim, there is no definite answer, as the 'answer' has changed with history.

During the age of sail for instance, anything with less than three masts was a boat. But there would be exceptions to this rule too - if a naval officer holding the rank of post captain were to take temporary command of, say, a schooner (a 'boat') then during the tenure of his command, the 'boat' would become a 'ship'.

When I was in the Andrew I was told by an instructing CPO that a 'boat' is any vessel that can be carried on a 'ship'. But I'm not claiming that to be definitive either.

At an interview with a submarine constructor I was informed a ship is a target. I suspect if I'd gone to the surface division, I'd have been told a boat is a target.
(I do remember reading something about ships having windows and boats don't, but probably rubbish)

[TTwiggy]

Ian Lancs said:

At an interview with a submarine constructor I was informed a ship is a target. I suspect if I'd gone to the surface division, I'd have been told a boat is a target.
(I do remember reading something about ships having windows and boats don't, but probably rubbish)

My sail boat has plenty of windows, but you couldn't confuse it with a ship!

Personally, I just refer to everything that floats as a 'barky'. That way, nautical pedants have nothing to pick you up on, while lubbers remain firmly in the dark

[matchmaker]

Max_Torque said:

matchmaker said:

All RNLI all-weather lifeboats are self-righting and have been so for many years. A Severn has 2 V12 Cats with 2100bhp in a boat that weighs 45 tonnes. Another attribute is that they are highly manoeuvrable.

They also have that most useful of accessories, vertically compliant damped cabin seating to take the sting off those big "into sea" landings at high speed when you are using your V12s....... ;-)

Only the cox had one on our Arun. Coming off a big sea you heard five "ahhh!" from the rest of the crew in our fixed seats!

[Vipers]

TTwiggy said:

When I was in the Andrew I was told by an instructing CPO that a 'boat' is any vessel that can be carried on a 'ship'. But I'm not claiming that to be definitive either.

And yet a submarine is referred to as a boat, and the latest Astute class are ginormous, tey carrying that on a ship. As you say, there is no definitive answer.

Then again we have "Space Ships", but not "Space Boats"...........

[happygoron]

matchmaker said:

All RNLI all-weather lifeboats are self-righting and have been so for many years. A Severn has 2 V12 Cats with 2100bhp in a boat that weighs 45 tonnes. Another attribute is that they are highly manoeuvrable.

Edited by matchmaker on Monday 6th October 17:16

Some stations with older Tyne classes may not be so sure. I'm sure I heard they had to install inflation bags on the rear cabin roof to counteract the weight of kit installed in the cabins over the years.

[GBGaffer]

doogz said:

Are they X-mounted?

Any pics or videos?

The Severn class seats are just standard truck seats (Cabstar I think). They're ok as long as you dial the correct weight on the spring adjustment. I spent 8 hours strapped to one on Monday night!

For real luxury you need the seats from the Tamar or Shannon which are custom made afaik.

G

[Fishtigua]

This video shows how much a Container Ship moves in a bit of weather.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embed...

[anonymous-user]

GBGaffer said:

The Severn class seats are just standard truck seats (Cabstar I think). They're ok as long as you dial the correct weight on the spring adjustment. I spent 8 hours strapped to one on Monday night!

For real luxury you need the seats from the Tamar or Shannon which are custom made afaik.

G

Watch the seats get a beating here:

Shannon testing video


;-)

[Ayahuasca]

TTwiggy said:

dudleybloke said:

PanzerCommander said:

What defines a boat as a boat and a ship as a ship then?

I've wondered this before but never got a definite answer.

Despite what anybody may claim, there is no definite answer, as the 'answer' has changed with history.

During the age of sail for instance, anything with less than three masts was a boat. But there would be exceptions to this rule too - if a naval officer holding the rank of post captain were to take temporary command of, say, a schooner (a 'boat') then during the tenure of his command, the 'boat' would become a 'ship'.

When I was in the Andrew I was told by an instructing CPO that a 'boat' is any vessel that can be carried on a 'ship'. But I'm not claiming that to be definitive either.

Anything with less than three masts was NOT a 'boat'



A ship had three masts, square sails on all three

A bark has three masts, square sales on two, fore and aft sails on the mizzen

A barquentine has three masts, square sales on the fore, fore and aft sails on main and mizzen

A brig has two masts, square sails on both

A brigantine has two masts, square sails on the fore and fore and aft on the main

A schooner has two masts, with the main mast aft of the fore mast

A ketch has two masts with the mizzen aft of the the main, but ahead of the rudder post

A yawl has two masts with the mizzen behind the rudder post

A sloop has only one mast

And the most seaworthy vessel in a strong storm? The one that is securely tied up alongside the harbour wall.

It is better to be on land wishing you were at sea, than at sea wishing you were in land.

A boat? A boat may be carried on a ship, but a ship may never be carried on a boat. Boats had oars.

Edited by Ayahuasca on Wednesday 8th October 23:32

[Vipers]

doogz said:

Vipers said:

And yet a submarine is referred to as a boat, and the latest Astute class are ginormous, tey carrying that on a ship. As you say, there is no definitive answer.

Then again we have "Space Ships", but not "Space Boats"...........

Astute is not that big.

Typhoon is a bit boat. Borei is a big boat. Trafalgar too.

Astute is smaller than LA, Seawolf, Virginia, etc.

Thanks for that, couldn't be bothered googling, Astute was the first name to come to the forefront.

[wildcat45]

matchmaker said:

All RNLI all-weather lifeboats are self-righting and have been so for many years. A Severn has 2 V12 Cats with 2100bhp in a boat that weighs 45 tonnes. Another attribute is that they are highly manoeuvrable.

Edited by matchmaker on Monday 6th October 17:16

Ours (that's to say the ine where I live and which a few of my mates crew) has been re-engined. I think she's got MTUs now.

The biggest storm I've been in was when I was a guest for a few days in an Invincible Class carrier. She felt pretty stable especially when the Type 42 with us was shipping green water and pitching so much you could see the red paint in her lower hull.

For the safest but probably the least comfortable I reckon a Severn Class lifeboat.

[IanMorewood]

Surely if its got to be a surface ship then a very large aircraft carrier has to be the best bet. Much as I like the RNLI I wouldn't want to be in an offshore boat in 40+ foot breaking seas.

[Simpo Two]

I think there is a difference between 'most likely to stay upright' and 'most likely to stay afloat'! A Severn class lifeboat may be unsinkable but you'll probably spend half the time on the ceiling!

[matchmaker]

wildcat45 said:

matchmaker said:

All RNLI all-weather lifeboats are self-righting and have been so for many years. A Severn has 2 V12 Cats with 2100bhp in a boat that weighs 45 tonnes. Another attribute is that they are highly manoeuvrable.

Edited by matchmaker on Monday 6th October 17:16

Ours (that's to say the ine where I live and which a few of my mates crew) has been re-engined. I think she's got MTUs now.

The biggest storm I've been in was when I was a guest for a few days in an Invincible Class carrier. She felt pretty stable especially when the Type 42 with us was shipping green water and pitching so much you could see the red paint in her lower hull.

For the safest but probably the least comfortable I reckon a Severn Class lifeboat.

You're right about the MTUs - I hadn't known about that, but have now found that all Severns are gradually to be fitted with twin 22.3 litre V10 M94 engines. Link here http://www.maritimejournal.com/news101/power-and-p...