Most seaworthy type of ship?
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chrisga said:
My sailing boat could easily carry one of my radio control boats. At 14' long a ship it is not...
If it's a capable of navigation, then, in law, it's a 'ship'. And a 14' sailing dingy is certainly capable of such. The line is drawn at PWCs (wrongly, on the facts, in my opinion).http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWCA/Crim/2005/3184...
31 "Finally we refer to the case of Curtis v Wild [1991] 4 All ER 172. This was an action by one dinghy sailor against another for personal injuries as a result of being run down after capsizing. The issue was whether the claim was subject to the two year limitation period imposed in relation to claims against vessels or their owners by section 8 of the Maritime Conventions Act 1911, which fell to be construed as one with the Merchant Shipping Acts. After consideration of Southport Corporation v Morriss and a case which distinguished it, Ross v Weeks [1913] 2 K B 229, Henry J concluded that navigation involved proceeding from an originating place A to a terminus B and not just the "use of vessels for pleasure purposes by people who were messing about in boats"."
Point 31 in the link above would suggest a sailing dinghy isn't a ship though wouldn't it, or have I read it wrong? (I'm not into legal jargon)....
Point 31 in the link above would suggest a sailing dinghy isn't a ship though wouldn't it, or have I read it wrong? (I'm not into legal jargon)....
Fishtigua said:
I think it means any vessel under power or sail that has a means of steering from A to B is navigable and under control of the master. The only exception is a vessel propelled by oars or unpropelled, like an oil rig.
Thanks Benjamin for an interesting article.
AFAIK semi submersibles (oil rigs) do have propulsion, maybe not all do.Thanks Benjamin for an interesting article.
My mate Who is a submariner says this is all balls. I mentioned this debate to him in our lical in Sunday.
There are only two kinds of vessel he says. Submarines and targets.
To be fair he has a worrying outlook on life. I guess living in a ship sized boat hundreds of feet under the sea with a nuclear reactor a clutch of torpedoes and cruise missiles has something to do with it.
doogz said:
Mabbs9 said:
My Bro was on a destroyer in the North Atlantic. The storm was bad enough to break off the hangar door. Waves were breaking over the bridge.
And did it sink?Point made!
wildcat45 said:
My mate Who is a submariner says this is all balls. I mentioned this debate to him in our lical in Sunday.
There are only two kinds of vessel he says. Submarines and targets.
To be fair he has a worrying outlook on life. I guess living in a ship sized boat hundreds of feet under the sea with a nuclear reactor a clutch of torpedoes and cruise missiles has something to do with it.
I believe the submariners motto was "We come unseen"There are only two kinds of vessel he says. Submarines and targets.
To be fair he has a worrying outlook on life. I guess living in a ship sized boat hundreds of feet under the sea with a nuclear reactor a clutch of torpedoes and cruise missiles has something to do with it.
Usually referred to by the real branch of the Royal Navy as "We come unclean", this was when fresh water and bunks were scarce, and when they docked some of the crew moved in to B & B.
All changed of course now on the neuk boats.
chrisga said:
31 "Finally we refer to the case of Curtis v Wild [1991] 4 All ER 172. This was an action by one dinghy sailor against another for personal injuries as a result of being run down after capsizing. The issue was whether the claim was subject to the two year limitation period imposed in relation to claims against vessels or their owners by section 8 of the Maritime Conventions Act 1911, which fell to be construed as one with the Merchant Shipping Acts. After consideration of Southport Corporation v Morriss and a case which distinguished it, Ross v Weeks [1913] 2 K B 229, Henry J concluded that navigation involved proceeding from an originating place A to a terminus B and not just the "use of vessels for pleasure purposes by people who were messing about in boats"."
Point 31 in the link above would suggest a sailing dinghy isn't a ship though wouldn't it, or have I read it wrong? (I'm not into legal jargon)....
As ever in law... it depends!Point 31 in the link above would suggest a sailing dinghy isn't a ship though wouldn't it, or have I read it wrong? (I'm not into legal jargon)....
For example, a Wayfarer-type dingy being sailed over to Holland (it's been done numerous times) would have to be a ship - not least as other vessels would be making navigational decisions based on the dingy's course.
Superyachts are, after all, only used for "messing about in boats" - yet are most certainly ships, and highly regulated accordingly even if not chartered-out.
Vipers said:
I believe the submariners motto was "We come unseen"
Usually referred to by the real branch of the Royal Navy as "We come unclean", this was when fresh water and bunks were scarce, and when they docked some of the crew moved in to B & B.
All changed of course now on the neuk boats.
I dunno, he's very pale smells of diesel and glows at night. :-)Usually referred to by the real branch of the Royal Navy as "We come unclean", this was when fresh water and bunks were scarce, and when they docked some of the crew moved in to B & B.
All changed of course now on the neuk boats.
The 2 B3 Leander Class Frigates (Hermione and Jupiter) I served in, never had a better seagoing ship in nearly 30 years of the RN. The most memorable bit of roughers in Hermione was the storm of 1987 when we were stuck at sea between Pompey and Guzz, best roller coaster ride ever and still a very vivid memory!
They seemed to really ride out rough seas well in a way nothing else I served in or I've been on has; purpose built I suppose for a dust up in the North Atlantic and not made to a tight budget.
They seemed to really ride out rough seas well in a way nothing else I served in or I've been on has; purpose built I suppose for a dust up in the North Atlantic and not made to a tight budget.
wal 45 said:
The 2 B3 Leander Class Frigates (Hermione and Jupiter) I served in, never had a better seagoing ship in nearly 30 years of the RN. The most memorable bit of roughers in Hermione was the storm of 1987 when we were stuck at sea between Pompey and Guzz, best roller coaster ride ever and still a very vivid memory!
They seemed to really ride out rough seas well in a way nothing else I served in or I've been on has; purpose built I suppose for a dust up in the North Atlantic and not made to a tight budget.
Served on the Minerva, a Leander class. You mentioned Guzz, do you know why its called that? They seemed to really ride out rough seas well in a way nothing else I served in or I've been on has; purpose built I suppose for a dust up in the North Atlantic and not made to a tight budget.
Having said that, most on here will have absolutely no idea what it means.
Vipers said:
wal 45 said:
The 2 B3 Leander Class Frigates (Hermione and Jupiter) I served in, never had a better seagoing ship in nearly 30 years of the RN. The most memorable bit of roughers in Hermione was the storm of 1987 when we were stuck at sea between Pompey and Guzz, best roller coaster ride ever and still a very vivid memory!
They seemed to really ride out rough seas well in a way nothing else I served in or I've been on has; purpose built I suppose for a dust up in the North Atlantic and not made to a tight budget.
Served on the Minerva, a Leander class. You mentioned Guzz, do you know why its called that? They seemed to really ride out rough seas well in a way nothing else I served in or I've been on has; purpose built I suppose for a dust up in the North Atlantic and not made to a tight budget.
Having said that, most on here will have absolutely no idea what it means.
Guzzie/Guzzle[?] Devon high teas with clotted cream scones & Jam. Lots of Jam. ie DEVONPORT.
Edited by Mojocvh on Saturday 18th October 18:52
Mojocvh said:
I do. Had to learn the lingo when on 360 Sqdn, ok they were wafus but you had to keep up. Else
Guzzie/Guzzle[?] Devon high teas with clotted cream scones & Jam. Lots of Jam. ie DEVONPORT.
Blast from the past, wafus, "Wet and f*****g useless" .........Guzzie/Guzzle[?] Devon high teas with clotted cream scones & Jam. Lots of Jam. ie DEVONPORT.
Edited by Mojocvh on Saturday 18th October 18:52
I always thought Guz was the original call sign for the radio station, but if you google, apparently not. Then again they used to say it rains when you guz in and it is still raining when you guz out again.
chrisga said:
PanzerCommander said:
What defines a boat as a boat and a ship as a ship then?
I'd heard a boat leans in to a turn at speed, whereas a ship leans out.a displacement hull will lean out on a turn, a planing hull will lean in.
i suppose the question then is "how many ships are capable of getting on the plane"
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