Post Nimrod

[rhinochopig]

Eric Mc said:

I vote for this -

How on earth have the ground crew resisted the urge to paint a bloody big moustache under that nose. It's crying out for one for God's sake.

[Dr Jekyll]

FourWheelDrift said:

There's a Martin Mars flying boat going spare in Canada.

...and a Shackleton at Coventry.

[Hooli]

Eric Mc said:

I vote for this -



in this colour scheme - of course -

We should just build a load of the latter & fit turboprops

[Mojocvh]

Hooli said:

Eric Mc said:

I vote for this -



in this colour scheme - of course -

We should just build a load of the latter & fit turboprops

There’s actually an "issue" with using turboprops, noise.

[Ginetta G15 Girl]

Mojocvh said:

There’s actually an "issue" with using turboprops, noise.

Indeed. Especially if the boat has a tail streamed.

[Eric Mc]

How does this affect Atlantiques and Orions?

[Ginetta G15 Girl]

The subs can hear them coming if they are below 10,000.

[hidetheelephants]

Presumably the high frequency noise of a turbofan gets lost in the air/water interface better than the low freq of a pudding stirrer.

[Ginetta G15 Girl]

It's the propellor 'beat' that they pick up, whereas the noise of a jet engine tends to get hidden within the ambient noise levels.

[Eric Mc]

Does that mean all those P-3s were useless?

[hidetheelephants]

Eric Mc said:

Does that mean all those P-3s were useless?

No, just less useful than Nimrod etc., and only since the Russians developed sonar that didn't labour under the epithet Helen Keller and can hear noisy aircraft overhead.

[saaby93]

Remind me again what was so wrong with Nimrod it couldnt be fixed?

[Skywalker]

saaby93 said:

Remind me again what was so wrong with Nimrod it couldnt be fixed?

The MRA4s had a significantly long list of Unsafe points which would have been eyewateringly expensive to fix to a point of safety, whete risks are rendered ALARP ( As Low As Reasonably Possible).

I think that it sat somewhere between a Dream, a Wish and a Promise - but left it dangerous and expensive and late.

The way that they were got rid of is more akin to cutting the head off a zombie, to make sure that they do not reanimate at a later date. Please do nt get me wong - an excellent aircraft...but itwas right o euthanise it.

Some interesting ideas over on Pprune also being discussed.

[mph1977]

Skywalker said:

saaby93 said:

Remind me again what was so wrong with Nimrod it couldnt be fixed?

The MRA4s had a significantly long list of Unsafe points which would have been eyewateringly expensive to fix to a point of safety, whete risks are rendered ALARP ( As Low As Reasonably Possible).

I think that it sat somewhere between a Dream, a Wish and a Promise - but left it dangerous and expensive and late.

The way that they were got rid of is more akin to cutting the head off a zombie, to make sure that they do not reanimate at a later date. Please do nt get me wong - an excellent aircraft...but itwas right o euthanise it.

Some interesting ideas over on Pprune also being discussed.

they may as well have built new fuselages as well as just about everything else was being changed ...

then it would have delivered what was promised

while the comet;s wing layout has issues it's a good layout for an MPA as the issues of thrust asymtery when running on 2 or 3 engines of the 4 are reduced compared to the more conventional airliner type layout originally adopted with the 707 and widely used since ...

[Ginetta G15 Girl]

mph1977 said:

while the comet;s wing layout has issues it's a good layout for an MPA as the issues of thrust asymtery when running on 2 or 3 engines of the 4 are reduced compared to the more conventional airliner type layout originally adopted with the 707 and widely used since ...

Except at training weights (ie the sort of weights you would fly circuits at). Double assymetric at those weights was a real handful!

[mph1977]

Ginetta G15 Girl said:

mph1977 said:

while the comet;s wing layout has issues it's a good layout for an MPA as the issues of thrust asymtery when running on 2 or 3 engines of the 4 are reduced compared to the more conventional airliner type layout originally adopted with the 707 and widely used since ...

Except at training weights (ie the sort of weights you would fly circuits at). Double assymetric at those weights was a real handful!

i 'll stand corrected on that - i have no wings to wear.

[Ginetta G15 Girl]

Good fun though

[Ginetta G15 Girl]

Eric Mc said:

Does that mean all those P-3s were useless?

Sigh.

No Eric, it means they had a Tactical Limitation to (try) to overcome, which meant that they were/are less effective than was Nimrod MR2.

There are a whole host of other reasons why P3 and Atlantique were less capable than Nimrod MR2, although in the ASuW role (Anti-Surface Unit Warfare), the P3 was certainly more effective.

Edited by Ginetta G15 Girl on Friday 15th May 00:13

[hidetheelephants]

Ginetta G15 Girl said:

although in the ASuW role (Anti-Surface Unit Warfare), the P3 was certainly more effective.

What's the reason for this?

[Skywalker]

hidetheelephants said:

Ginetta G15 Girl said:

although in the ASuW role (Anti-Surface Unit Warfare), the P3 was certainly more effective.

What's the reason for this?

I believe that they could hang 2 x AGM84 Harpoons under each wing... which is nice