Ship stuck on Bramble Bank.
Discussion
Crafty_ said:
ecsrobin said:
Well the fact that a press conference is being held tomorrow gives me the feeling it's not a fixable situation so they will let it drift onto the beach at stokes bay.
And then have to deal with any pollution, empty the cargo and fuel, then cut her up in situ? Not a chance. Would cost far too much money and the Environment Agency would have a field day.Local radio said that she could be dragged back to Southampton port and righted as early as next week.
V8 Fettler said:
No. I don't think we can have the hulk drifting out of control in the busiest shipping lane in the world. I wonder if it's possible to get the Bucc at Scampton ready in time.
Isn't that slightly the other side of that little island?And more specifically a fair bit east.
DJFish said:
The thing is watertight, floating & upright (sort of), so in many ways it's in a good position.
The salvors main job is to get it properly upright, this will involve shifting lots of water around & possibly some cargo but this has to be done in a careful controlled manner so as not to exacerbate the situation.
If they were to simply fill the other side with ballast the thing would most likely roll upright then just keep going the other way.
All this takes power, submersible pumps, miles of hose, which have to be transferred by sea and lots of chaps walking around on a 45 degree slant in a pitch black dead hulk, ,lest we forget the chap on the Cougar Ace killed doing exactly that.
If it were me I'd be taking my time and doing it properly.
Wasn't he mapping out the layout of the ship or some such and died when he fell off? he did die as a result of working with the damaged ship, but not quite as you make out I don't thinkThe salvors main job is to get it properly upright, this will involve shifting lots of water around & possibly some cargo but this has to be done in a careful controlled manner so as not to exacerbate the situation.
If they were to simply fill the other side with ballast the thing would most likely roll upright then just keep going the other way.
All this takes power, submersible pumps, miles of hose, which have to be transferred by sea and lots of chaps walking around on a 45 degree slant in a pitch black dead hulk, ,lest we forget the chap on the Cougar Ace killed doing exactly that.
If it were me I'd be taking my time and doing it properly.
Edited by DJFish on Tuesday 13th January 20:23
KTF said:
Simpo Two said:
It really shouldn't be this difficult to right a ship in the 21st century.
Clearly the 'experts' are doing something wrong. Best you get on the phone to them to tell them how to do it properly if it isnt difficult One would imagine they are taking their time to do a thorough job as the risks are so high should it go wroung
Having said that, I don't know why they just don't open the ferry door to let the water out and at the same time pull a big rope to pull it upright.
Job Jobbed, read it in the Daily Mail so must be true
MOTORVATOR said:
V8 Fettler said:
No. I don't think we can have the hulk drifting out of control in the busiest shipping lane in the world. I wonder if it's possible to get the Bucc at Scampton ready in time.
Isn't that slightly the other side of that little island?And more specifically a fair bit east.
A further update. Maybe some progress at the weekend.
The vessel remains held in position at anchor on the Alpha Anchorage.
The weather forecast for tonight remains high winds. All precautions are in place to hold the ship during this period. Current expectations are that the weather will permit salvage work to be progressed over the weekend.
The salvor’s helicopter is now on scene. A temporary danger area or air exclusion zone around the ship has been established of 1 mile around and 2000ft high to facilitate helicopter operations.
No diving took place yesterday, but there was more progress in testing the water pumps deployed on the ship and its ballast system.
The vessel remains held in position at anchor on the Alpha Anchorage.
The weather forecast for tonight remains high winds. All precautions are in place to hold the ship during this period. Current expectations are that the weather will permit salvage work to be progressed over the weekend.
The salvor’s helicopter is now on scene. A temporary danger area or air exclusion zone around the ship has been established of 1 mile around and 2000ft high to facilitate helicopter operations.
No diving took place yesterday, but there was more progress in testing the water pumps deployed on the ship and its ballast system.
V8 Fettler said:
MOTORVATOR said:
V8 Fettler said:
No. I don't think we can have the hulk drifting out of control in the busiest shipping lane in the world. I wonder if it's possible to get the Bucc at Scampton ready in time.
Isn't that slightly the other side of that little island?And more specifically a fair bit east.
Tugs holding the listing stricken cargo ship Hoegh Osaka in the Solent will let go of the vessel if they lose control in gales set to sweep in.
The ship anchored at Alpha Anchorage, near Lee-on-the-Solent, has been positioned to reground on a sandbank.
Bram Sperling, from salvors Svitzer, said: "If the wind takes over the vessel we've informed the tugs to take care of themselves."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-308...
The ship anchored at Alpha Anchorage, near Lee-on-the-Solent, has been positioned to reground on a sandbank.
Bram Sperling, from salvors Svitzer, said: "If the wind takes over the vessel we've informed the tugs to take care of themselves."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-308...
k me, the skipper and pilot really did pick some big weather to park that lump up infront of !!! cold thursday said:
Tugs holding the listing stricken cargo ship Hoegh Osaka in the Solent will let go of the vessel if they lose control in gales set to sweep in.
The ship anchored at Alpha Anchorage, near Lee-on-the-Solent, has been positioned to reground on a sandbank.
Bram Sperling, from salvors Svitzer, said: "If the wind takes over the vessel we've informed the tugs to take care of themselves."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-308...
That article also says some of the cargo is now totally submerged, so my money is firmly on the whole lot being scrapped once the ship is recovered.The ship anchored at Alpha Anchorage, near Lee-on-the-Solent, has been positioned to reground on a sandbank.
Bram Sperling, from salvors Svitzer, said: "If the wind takes over the vessel we've informed the tugs to take care of themselves."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-308...
Rich1973 said:
Has the cause of the list been investigated / elaborated on further?
I understand it's a ballasting issue, and my simplistic view would be to investigate the cause, correct it and pump the water back out, thus righting the ship.
What am I missing?
Shifted cargo, ingress of water etc. Plus the desire to get it right rather than rush it and have it roll completely over the other way. I understand it's a ballasting issue, and my simplistic view would be to investigate the cause, correct it and pump the water back out, thus righting the ship.
What am I missing?
ecsrobin said:
Does anyone know what helicopter the salvors are using? I'm assuming they're having to winch down to the ship.
I believe it's a specially built one, with the rotors put on at a 45deg angle, allowing the craft to land normally, even though the ships deck is heavily tilted.(I may have made that up........ ;-) )
Latest update:
The Hoegh Osaka held overnight. Later today salvors will go on board the vessel via helicopter and boat. They will carry out some pump testing and may begin some internal ballasting operations.
The weather tonight will be windy again, however the forecast from tomorrow will be favourable, meaning that salvors can press on with operations.
Discussions are underway regarding arrangements for bringing the vessel into port.
The Hoegh Osaka held overnight. Later today salvors will go on board the vessel via helicopter and boat. They will carry out some pump testing and may begin some internal ballasting operations.
The weather tonight will be windy again, however the forecast from tomorrow will be favourable, meaning that salvors can press on with operations.
Discussions are underway regarding arrangements for bringing the vessel into port.
jamiebae said:
That article also says some of the cargo is now totally submerged, so my money is firmly on the whole lot being scrapped once the ship is recovered.
As I posted a few pages back a friend who is familiar with the situation is of the understanding the whole lot has been written off by the insurers. The plan was try and correct some of the list by getting rid of the water and switching ballast around - IIRC they hope to reduce it by about 10 degrees and then wanted to bring her back in to the port, right it and unload. The aforementioned friend recons on that basis alone they knew the whole lot was scrap pretty early on.He thinks they might need as many as 6 tugs to bring her back up to the port.
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