Tornado vs Typhoon

[williamp]

maffski said:

gifdy said:

Somehow the sales brochure gave me the impression Queen Elizabeth was more imposing than that, nice colour scheme though.

My 4 year old loved. Cranes, planes and boats. Do you have that as a poster??!!!

[gifdy]

anonymous said:

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Yes, you're right. It was the one that went to Scrampton for restoration, XX885. It was bought for £10,500 !

[aeropilot]

SlipStream77 said:

Lost soul said:

Pretty sure the Typhoon would be better at everything the Tornado does

The Tornado is probably still the best high speed / low level strike aircraft in the world.

Indeed.

Also, there's nothing with wings as fast 'down on the deck' as a Tonka.

[Mojocvh]

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aeropilot said:

SlipStream77 said:

Lost soul said:

Pretty sure the Typhoon would be better at everything the Tornado does

The Tornado is probably still the best high speed / low level strike aircraft in the world.

Indeed.

Also, there's nothing with wings as fast 'down on the deck' as a Tonka.

No thermal limits on the final...

[Godalmighty83]

Just imagine how impressive they both would be if they had any engine upgrades at some point in the past 30 years!

[onyx39]

First time I saw the Eurofighter was at North Weald Air Show in the mid 90's I reckon. It wasn't advertised on the programme and according to the commentator, the pilot called the tower and said he was "in the area", and could he do an impromptu display. Don't know if it was "staged" or not (I suspect it was) but high enjoyed it.

[Halmyre]

Godalmighty83 said:

Just imagine how impressive they both would be if they had any engine upgrades at some point in the past 30 years!

I'm sure I've read somewhere that the Typhoon engine makers have an improved version that's supposed to be fitted at mid-life upgrade, whenever that is, 2016 or thereabouts.

[V8 Fettler]

aeropilot said:

SlipStream77 said:

Lost soul said:

Pretty sure the Typhoon would be better at everything the Tornado does

The Tornado is probably still the best high speed / low level strike aircraft in the world.

Indeed.

Also, there's nothing with wings as fast 'down on the deck' as a Tonka.

With full external weapons load (as original design)? No. Starfighter.

[Mave]

Halmyre said:

Godalmighty83 said:

Just imagine how impressive they both would be if they had any engine upgrades at some point in the past 30 years!

I'm sure I've read somewhere that the Typhoon engine makers have an improved version that's supposed to be fitted at mid-life upgrade, whenever that is, 2016 or thereabouts.

Not unless MoD puts their hands deep into their pockets...

[Halmyre]

V8 Fettler said:

aeropilot said:

SlipStream77 said:

Lost soul said:

Pretty sure the Typhoon would be better at everything the Tornado does

The Tornado is probably still the best high speed / low level strike aircraft in the world.

Indeed.

Also, there's nothing with wings as fast 'down on the deck' as a Tonka.

With full external weapons load (as original design)? No. Starfighter.

But that weapons load amounted to the square root of bugger-all. Unless you included the aircraft as well, which was not unheard of...

[aeropilot]

V8 Fettler said:

aeropilot said:

SlipStream77 said:

Lost soul said:

Pretty sure the Typhoon would be better at everything the Tornado does

The Tornado is probably still the best high speed / low level strike aircraft in the world.

Indeed.

Also, there's nothing with wings as fast 'down on the deck' as a Tonka.

With full external weapons load (as original design)? No. Starfighter.

Actually both were service limited to the same speed, 750KIAS. However, I know of a RAF pilot that did an exchange tour on the 104 that personally saw 810KIAS at 100ft ASL, and I've seen several ex-RAF Tonka F3 pilots with claims of 870-900KIAS with the F3 in clean config.

If we're talking about a/c no longer in service, but was at the time the '104 was, the F-111 had a higher KIAS limit than the 104 - 800KIAS.

[anonymous-user]

onyx39 said:

First time I saw the Eurofighter was at North Weald Air Show in the mid 90's I reckon. It wasn't advertised on the programme and according to the commentator, the pilot called the tower and said he was "in the area", and could he do an impromptu display. Don't know if it was "staged" or not (I suspect it was) but high enjoyed it.

Don't ever recall a Typhoon displaying at North Weald. The displays finished there in the mid to late 90s. The first RAF display was 2004,or 2005 at Southend.

Edited by anonymous-user on Friday 16th January 18:31

[onyx39]

anonymous said:

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Wasn't a planned display apparently. Pretty certain of what I saw.

[aeropilot]

anonymous said:

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First a/c wasn't deli 2003, so it certainly wasn't a RAF Typhoon.

To be late 90's it would have had to have been the DA-1 or DA-2 pre-production a/c from BAe Warton, and pretty sure that was never cleared for un-authorised aero displays. I think they only publically displayed at Farnborough in 96 and 98.

[onyx39]

anonymous said:

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I knew it wasn't an RAF one, hence the carefully chosen use of the word Eurofighter as opposed to Typhoon.

[z06tim]

Eurofighter definitely made some pretty early appearances at airshows well before delivery to the RAF.

I can recall seeing one at Fairford in the mid to late 90's. Also remember the display being a bit tame, for fear of giving away any capability.

This link seems to confirm it displayed as early as 1995: http://www.paulnann.com/Location.asp?Location=Fair...

[Mojocvh]

Flight of the Pheonix

[tight5]

aeropilot said:

V8 Fettler said:

aeropilot said:

SlipStream77 said:

Lost soul said:

Pretty sure the Typhoon would be better at everything the Tornado does

The Tornado is probably still the best high speed / low level strike aircraft in the world.

Indeed.

Also, there's nothing with wings as fast 'down on the deck' as a Tonka.

With full external weapons load (as original design)? No. Starfighter.

Actually both were service limited to the same speed, 750KIAS. However, I know of a RAF pilot that did an exchange tour on the 104 that personally saw 810KIAS at 100ft ASL, and I've seen several ex-RAF Tonka F3 pilots with claims of 870-900KIAS with the F3 in clean config.

If we're talking about a/c no longer in service, but was at the time the '104 was, the F-111 had a higher KIAS limit than the 104 - 800KIAS.

I read something , can't remember where ( but it may have been a fiction book ) that said Mig 31 Foxhound was the fastest thing low down .

[Pickled]

tight5 said:

I read something , can't remember where ( but it may have been a fiction book ) that said Mig 31 Foxhound was the fastest thing low down .

Well the Craig Thomas fictional Firefox was called a MiG 31

[tight5]

Pickled said:

Well the Craig Thomas fictional Firefox was called a MiG 31

yeah , was one of these though