Nazi airfields in the UK

[anonymous-user]

Didn't the nazis have a naughty and nice list for the UK with lots of actors and writers in line for the camps?

I'm sure there were also plans for where the gestspo were going to have regional HQs etc.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/this-britain/...

Edited by el stovey on Monday 26th January 09:06

[Johnnytheboy]

OT but there's an old (and quite possibly apocryphal) story regarding the beach near my father's house in Dorset.

In the late 30s the landowner decided to build a concrete road down to the sea front from the nearby main road.

When the war started he was arrested/interned as a Nazi sympathiser and a pill box was hastily built above the beach.

The local story is that he was doing his bit for the invasion to come.

[hidetheelephants]

Daily Express in 'stter than Daily Mail' shocker; not many dead.

[Halmyre]

el stovey said:

Didn't the nazis have a naughty and nice list for the UK with lots of actors and writers in line for the camps?

I'm sure there were also plans for where the gestspo were going to have regional HQs etc.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/this-britain/...

Edited by el stovey on Monday 26th January 09:06

Love the warning about Eton being booked until 1949.

[jmorgan]

el stovey said:

Didn't the nazis have a naughty and nice list for the UK with lots of actors and writers in line for the camps?

I'm sure there were also plans for where the gestspo were going to have regional HQs etc.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/this-britain/...

Edited by el stovey on Monday 26th January 09:06

We would have been a slave labor source and manufacturing base for the H mans further plans, apart from those carted off to the death camps. Considering he went to war with the country in such a state and not enough resources. Even if we had signed a peace treaty after Dunkirk, I do not think we would not have been safe. He had a nice treaty with Stalin. Apparently one train driver crew were rather surprised as they trundled through the German advance carrying coal or ore or oil ( forget the text) that shipment was part of the peace pact.

[Simpo Two]

jmorgan said:

Even if we had signed a peace treaty after Dunkirk, I do not think we would not have been safe. He had a nice treaty with Stalin.

It was only a cover until he had built up enough strength to attack them. He hadn't planned on a war with Britain and didn't expect us to ally with Poland. And it does seem a little odd, for we can't have had much in common with Poland. I suppose that becuse the Western powers had sat back and played the appeasement game for several years while Hitler helped himself to ever-larger chunks of Europe that eventually they felt a line had to be drawn. It is interesting to wonder whether, had the West continued to do nothing and Hitler headed only eastwards, whether western Europe would have been involved or whether the two lions of Hitler and Stalin would fight to a standstill. Perhaps Hitler would have captured Moscow creating a West (Nazi) Russia and leaving an East (Communist) Russia. We'll never know.

[jmorgan]

Simpo Two said:

jmorgan said:

Even if we had signed a peace treaty after Dunkirk, I do not think we would not have been safe. He had a nice treaty with Stalin.

It was only a cover until he had built up enough strength to attack them. He hadn't planned on a war with Britain and didn't expect us to ally with Poland. And it does seem a little odd, for we can't have had much in common with Poland. I suppose that becuse the Western powers had sat back and played the appeasement game for several years while Hitler helped himself to ever-larger chunks of Europe that eventually they felt a line had to be drawn. It is interesting to wonder whether, had the West continued to do nothing and Hitler headed only eastwards, whether western Europe would have been involved or whether the two lions of Hitler and Stalin would fight to a standstill. Perhaps Hitler would have captured Moscow creating a West (Nazi) Russia and leaving an East (Communist) Russia. We'll never know.

Lebensraum and all that, yeah. He wanted the nice bits with all the resources for his folk. He hoped we did not get involved but apparently did not worry too much if we did get involved. Interestingly (I have read) the land grabs pre Poland (that invasion Stalin also had a bloody hand in), those pre Poland grabs were made with orders to get out of dodge if the Allies turned up (Allies effectively England and France).

Without H worrying about the UK and France, I think Stalin would have been on a loser. Then you have Germany with more resources and an eager dictator with a triumphant battle hardened army.


PS. I think the express newspaper story is only good for chip paper and lizards are royalty forums.

Edited by jmorgan on Monday 26th January 10:51

[Simpo Two]

jmorgan said:

Without H worrying about the UK and France, I think Stalin would have been on a loser. Then you have Germany with more resources and an eager dictator with a triumphant battle hardened army.

I think so too. But as with all invading armies there would have been a limit to sustainable expansion.

Hitler caught the world napping; where he went wrong was in trying to fight all of it roughly at once! Had there been no Pearl Harbor - ie had the Japs kept out of it - there'd have been no American forces to contend with either, well not many.

[jmorgan]

Simpo Two said:

jmorgan said:

Without H worrying about the UK and France, I think Stalin would have been on a loser. Then you have Germany with more resources and an eager dictator with a triumphant battle hardened army.

I think so too. But as with all invading armies there would have been a limit to sustainable expansion.

Hitler caught the world napping; where he went wrong was in trying to fight all of it roughly at once! Had there been no Pearl Harbour - i.e. had the Japs kept out of it - there'd have been no American forces to contend with either, well not many.

Heard people comment that if he was so bad then how we got kicked out etc. etc. Any attack like that was going to be forceful, no matter who called the shots. A comment I have come across, after the fall of France though, he was probably our best secret ally in a perverted way. (no disrespect to anyone here, it is a comment I have heard)

Also, he was so entrenched with his vision of German people occupying certain lands, he slaughtered peoples that would have taken him on as a new leader over Stalin, and they may well have joined the ranks. He might have gained those land but getting the food etc. up and running, well, you just chased or killed all the people capable off the lands, so you are probably right with regards sustenance.

Pearl Harbour was a monumental cock up, declaring war on the US that is. I bet his generals thought "oh my giddy aunt, what has he done this time!". Hubris. One action of the allies was to declare "Germany first", I suppose they saw the problem with two fronts, unlike the H dude who never learned the lessons from WWI. But the latter allies were thrust into that position rather than seeking it.

[Simpo Two]

jmorgan said:

Heard people comment that if he was so bad then how we got kicked out etc. etc. Any attack like that was going to be forceful, no matter who called the shots. A comment I have come across, after the fall of France though, he was probably our best secret ally in a perverted way. (no disrespect to anyone here, it is a comment I have heard)

Pearl Harbour was a monumental cock up, declaring war on the US that is. I bet his generals thought "oh my giddy aunt, what has he done this time!".

I think it was Admiral Yamamoto who commented that all Japan had done was to 'wake the tail of the sleeping tiger'.

As for Hitler, whilst it's popular to portray him as a bumbling idiot, he was extremely clever. Yes he fked up in the end, but who else could bring a destitute, bankrupt post-WW1 country back to such power in 6-7 years and carry the nation with him? I once heard a bishop on R4 Thought for the Day suggesting that one reason we love to vilify Hitler at every opportunity now (far more than in previous decades IMHO) is because it makes us feel good by comparison and everyone else seem a bit better. Stalin was worse, but history is written by the victors.

[jmorgan]

Militarily he was not up to it, he played his generals off against each other, could not see the weaknesses, favoured lame ducks and pulled the rug from under capable staff etc.

He certainly could charm the people but I understand Germany was on the way up before the crash but the policies he did put in place when he came to power by a wired set of circumstances, those policies had them on a slippery slope had war not started.

[hidetheelephants]

jmorgan said:

Militarily he was not up to it, he played his generals off against each other, could not see the weaknesses, favoured lame ducks and pulled the rug from under capable staff etc.

He certainly could charm the people but I understand Germany was on the way up before the crash but the policies he did put in place when he came to power by a wired set of circumstances, those policies had them on a slippery slope had war not started.

It was worse than that, because of his relatively uncontrolled spending Germany was suffering pretty bad inflation by the start of the war, exacerbated by most of it being in things painted grey so not really very productive and no earnt foreign currency; the later reliance on forced/slave labour caused disproportionate damage to productivity due to poor quality of work and outright sabotage.

[jmorgan]

Yeah, holiday clubs, cars, no unions, peoples courts, wage cuts, forced labour under the guise of 100% employment. etc.

[MarkwG]

eharding said:

.....or maybe Elstree in the days of the "Screaming Skull".

That takes me back - is he still there...?

[Dr Jekyll]

MarkwG said:

eharding said:

.....or maybe Elstree in the days of the "Screaming Skull".

That takes me back - is he still there...?

I heard he died a few years back.

[MarkwG]

Dr Jekyll said:

MarkwG said:

eharding said:

.....or maybe Elstree in the days of the "Screaming Skull".

That takes me back - is he still there...?

I heard he died a few years back.

Ta, would make sense, he wasn't in the first flush of youth when I had dealings with him.