Ryanair Transatlantic!
Discussion
Sheepshanks said:
BrabusMog said:
Are you insinuating that O'Leary made this up to benefit from free advertising? I don't think he's that kind of person.
I know they say there's no such thing as bad publicity, but I think it just makes them look a shambles.pushthebutton said:
Do their 787s have wifi as well?
Crossing the Atlantic limits the aircraft to just a satellite connection whereas the 737s can use land based transmitters which are cheaper.
Oh, maybe they don't, I wasn't aware the wifi came from the ground as I had presumed it was satellite. Still, I find their European flights a lot more comfortable than Lufthansa/Iberia/BA etc when I am in economy, I quite liked flying with them until they fCrossing the Atlantic limits the aircraft to just a satellite connection whereas the 737s can use land based transmitters which are cheaper.
ked me around for 10 days, but I'm sure I'll get over it.As has been said, you just have to play Ryanair at their own game and treat it as a bus with wings. I do wish they would do flights out of Gatwick to where I need to get to, I can't stand Stansted airport.
BrabusMog said:
Oh, maybe they don't, I wasn't aware the wifi came from the ground as I had presumed it was satellite.
I don't know either. I couldn't find anything after a quick Google, but I know that Satellite only connections on aircraft are still in their infancy at the moment and don't allow internet browsing, as we'd want, at a reasonable price. Blaster72 said:
I guess they saw the overfueling requirement for ETOPS conformity and decided not to bother.MitchT said:
Just how much cheaper are the tickets likely to be given that a big chunk of what it costs to get across the pond is actually tax and other fees, not the cost of buying a plane and filling it with avgas and crew?
I know he has nixed this now, but the tax element could be slashed if the flight started in Dublin.... Any idea where Ryan Air is based?We've just saved £800 (50%) by flying to Dublin to begin our holiday.
The Don of Croy said:
I'd think it would be a toss-up between RyanAir and Stagecoach as to who would try it next.
...or Jet2, who already do it? http://www.jet2.com/new-yorktelecat said:
Easyjet, Ryanair etc have a Buy new, Maintain as little as possible and keep em flying philosophy which tends to mean they have no slack in the system for these mishaps. Jet2 while still vulnerable at least BUY their planes and spend time maintaining them. It does mean that they are not too worried if they have to ground a jet if there is no route for it to fly and do at times have some slack that can be taken up. Does not always work out but it seems that fewer do complain. Please note that Ryanair and Easyjet's planes are safe and they do not skimp on maintenance. But it's when needed not preventive. Jet2 Do preventative maint because the planes are older and do need keeping an eye on, but it seems to work better.
Think you'll find eJ are moving to a statistical (fix before it breaks) maintenance schedule now their fleet are starting to get on a bit. Edited by telecat on Wednesday 18th March 12:45
BrabusMog said:
I had to use them 3 times when Norwegian recently went on strike, the only bad thing I can say about them is having to fly from Stansted. It's a bus that flies, if you are expecting to be wined and dined, pay the extra and fly BA.
Over the past couple of months I've flown Aer Lingus (Bix-Dub) and last week BA (Lcy-Mad). Both have reminded me of just good non 'budget' airlines are. The likes of Ryanair have managed to persuade the public they are cheap as chips, they can be - however, as soon as you need to: travel to a schedule, travel with children or travel in school holidays, they cost pretty much the same as the 'premium' carriers. For my trip to Madrid last week, Ryanair from Stansted vs. BA from London City was about £20 difference, but that included hold baggage with BA & seats booked!. The Embraer 190 is a lovely aircraft, loads of leg room - staff were fantastic, a lovely flight, really pleased I went the extra distance to City.
Later this year - we are into budget mode as a family. Norwegian to Florida on the 787 - really looking forward to flying on the Dreamliner(WiFI is not included on the Atlantic flights). Seats, baggage & food all paid or and was considerably cheaper than either BA or Virgin. However I think there was a slight element of luck - I happened to be looking for the flights the DAY Norwegian released the tickets on this new route!
Then later in the year - Jet2 to Croatia - I like jet2 having used them before.
I fly BA to Geneva or Lyon from LHR quite a lot. Or at least I used to until a few weeks ago. Their buses now have the same seats and pitch as easyJet, with the added discomfort that BA still allow them to recline, thus less room than eJ.
What do I get for my extra (sometimes £400 difference on these routes) a free? Coffee and very small bite to eat.
I have friends at BA flying the 320s. They don't understand it either.
What do I get for my extra (sometimes £400 difference on these routes) a free? Coffee and very small bite to eat.
I have friends at BA flying the 320s. They don't understand it either.
telecat said:
Easyjet, Ryanair etc have a Buy new, Maintain as little as possible and keep em flying philosophy which tends to mean they have no slack in the system for these mishaps. Jet2 while still vulnerable at least BUY their planes and spend time maintaining them. It does mean that they are not too worried if they have to ground a jet if there is no route for it to fly and do at times have some slack that can be taken up. Does not always work out but it seems that fewer do complain. Please note that Ryanair and Easyjet's planes are safe and they do not skimp on maintenance. But it's when needed not preventive. Jet2 Do preventative maint because the planes are older and do need keeping an eye on, but it seems to work better.
Do you change the parts on your car when they are needed or on a whim regardless of mileage?Edited by telecat on Wednesday 18th March 12:45
pablo said:
telecat said:
Easyjet, Ryanair etc have a Buy new, Maintain as little as possible and keep em flying philosophy which tends to mean they have no slack in the system for these mishaps. Jet2 while still vulnerable at least BUY their planes and spend time maintaining them. It does mean that they are not too worried if they have to ground a jet if there is no route for it to fly and do at times have some slack that can be taken up. Does not always work out but it seems that fewer do complain. Please note that Ryanair and Easyjet's planes are safe and they do not skimp on maintenance. But it's when needed not preventive. Jet2 Do preventative maint because the planes are older and do need keeping an eye on, but it seems to work better.
Do you change the parts on your car when they are needed or on a whim regardless of mileage?Edited by telecat on Wednesday 18th March 12:45
No, nor do I drive at 30,000ft but thats not the point. Ryanair will follow the maintenance schedule as prescribed by Boeing, thats all I am saying. To imply that they should do additional preventative maintenance is just daft, the airlines accountants will be having a fit if they were.
Every component will have been assessed by Boeing at the design stage and lifed accordingly, long before Ryanair get their hands on the aircraft. You dont change the door handles on your car just because they have been fitted for ten years and might break tomorrow but You do replace consumables when they reach minimum wear levels.
Personally, I'd rather fly with the airline that didnt bugger about with things under the guise of "preventative maintenance" in between the regular maintenance schedule.
Every component will have been assessed by Boeing at the design stage and lifed accordingly, long before Ryanair get their hands on the aircraft. You dont change the door handles on your car just because they have been fitted for ten years and might break tomorrow but You do replace consumables when they reach minimum wear levels.
Personally, I'd rather fly with the airline that didnt bugger about with things under the guise of "preventative maintenance" in between the regular maintenance schedule.
pablo said:
No, nor do I drive at 30,000ft but thats not the point. Ryanair will follow the maintenance schedule as prescribed by Boeing, thats all I am saying. To imply that they should do additional preventative maintenance is just daft, the airlines accountants will be having a fit if they were.
Every component will have been assessed by Boeing at the design stage and lifed accordingly, long before Ryanair get their hands on the aircraft. You dont change the door handles on your car just because they have been fitted for ten years and might break tomorrow but You do replace consumables when they reach minimum wear levels.
Personally, I'd rather fly with the airline that didnt bugger about with things under the guise of "preventative maintenance" in between the regular maintenance schedule.
Correct! I've been involved in maintenance with many airlines. They have a VERY good maintenance team and snag issues other airlines brush under the carpet. Their aircraft are as safe as can be.Every component will have been assessed by Boeing at the design stage and lifed accordingly, long before Ryanair get their hands on the aircraft. You dont change the door handles on your car just because they have been fitted for ten years and might break tomorrow but You do replace consumables when they reach minimum wear levels.
Personally, I'd rather fly with the airline that didnt bugger about with things under the guise of "preventative maintenance" in between the regular maintenance schedule.
hairyben said:
I realise it's a redundant question now but in the spirit of the original post, weren't boeing mothballing new 747's rather than shut down the line recently? If leary could grab a few cheap could he make it work or would it be too ambitious?
Cheap to buy I suppose but expensive to run with 4 engines and old heavy technology. There's a reason why they don't sell well nowadays.
jmorgan said:
Not really, the press fall for it every time and he gets free coverage in the national papers. How much to ads cost today? Time the free forgot about him.
He's great. 8 minutes 'grilling' by Kirsty Wark and he fits in 'low fares', 'prices falling' and 'lowering the cost for customers' about 10 times.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQqGKMU5_NM
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