Video of plane 'crashing' into Ullswater Lake - Cumbria

Video of plane 'crashing' into Ullswater Lake - Cumbria

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Dr Jekyll

23,820 posts

261 months

Tuesday 14th April 2015
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Vipers said:
Given that the RAF often fly jets around the lakes, I am sure he wouldn't have had permission to fly that low over the lake, or even be in the vicinity. Just guessing.




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Why would he need permission to be in the vicinity?

eharding

13,711 posts

284 months

Tuesday 14th April 2015
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The first rule of Larking About In Aeroplanes is "Don't Get Yourself Into The Newspapers or YouTube", unless of course you are actually after some publicity, and even then you want to be able to assert as much control as you can about what gets written or shown, and about who, when, and where.

I have no idea about the provenance of the video - but it does seem slightly odd. Assuming it was completely bone-fide, shot by some random punter, then for all I know perhaps the Maule-teaser had a Rule 5 exemption - signed in triplicate, in blood - at least some of it his own - in his pocket along with a wad of exemptions from the notoriously prickly authorities that govern water-borne activities in the Lake District.

I know I would want those in my pocket before taking a Maule water-skiing down Ullswater in broad daylight - along with a crucifix, silver cross and holy water just in case some of the Undead Soul-Eaters in the CAA Enforcement Branch hadn't seen the memo about the Rule 5 waiver, and popped round for a friendly chat, and to rip my vital organs from my screaming cadaver and eat them in front of me.

Maules though. Horrid. They put so much effort into making the STOL performance so fantastic - which it is - that there is so much flap the amount of wing left for the provision of ailerons is, frankly, laughable. The roll response is...horrible. The best thing you can do with a Maule is take the tail-wheel off and put it on a Pitts, and burn the rest. If it doesn't have a tail-wheel, then proceed directly to "burn".

ecsrobin

17,119 posts

165 months

Tuesday 14th April 2015
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The only rule he's likely to have broken is the 500' from any person, vessel, vehicle or structure horizontal or vertical. Otherwise you can go as low as you like over water.

Vipers

32,886 posts

228 months

Tuesday 14th April 2015
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Dr Jekyll said:
Vipers said:
Given that the RAF often fly jets around the lakes, I am sure he wouldn't have had permission to fly that low over the lake, or even be in the vicinity. Just guessing.




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Why would he need permission to be in the vicinity?
Doesn't my post sort of explain it. You can't go willy nilly flying where you feel like flying. Or can you!




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anonymous-user

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54 months

Tuesday 14th April 2015
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eharding said:
I have no idea about the provenance of the video - but it does seem slightly odd. Assuming it was completely bone-fide, shot by some random punter,
Well it certainly looks like Ullswater and as it's a massive tourist trap locally there will probably be quite a lot of people around the lake at any one time with cameras to hand.

eharding

13,711 posts

284 months

Tuesday 14th April 2015
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NinjaPower said:
eharding said:
I have no idea about the provenance of the video - but it does seem slightly odd. Assuming it was completely bone-fide, shot by some random punter,
Well it certainly looks like Ullswater and as it's a massive tourist trap locally there will probably be quite a lot of people around the lake at any one time with cameras to hand.
...and this is why I really should get my arse in gear, and finally put into production my proposed "Tudor Owen Hand Puppet" aviation safety device.

For those who aren't familiar with Tudor Owen, he's a legendary PPL and legal eagle who, back in the day, defended many cases brought by the CAA against those who may, or may have not - and generally not, transgressed the Rules Of The Air. He was so effective that the CAA had no option other than to see to it he was rapidly elevated to the bench, and as a Judge he is no longer able to thwart the Dark Arts practitioners from the Belgrano.

Anyway, the concept goes like this. The next time one of your mates proposes some bat-sh!t crazy aviation jape - say water-skiing down Ullswater - you pull out your Tudor Owen Hand Puppet, explain the plan to Tudor, and then after the puppet makes a sad head-shaking gesture, and whispers something in your ear, you then explain to your mate "Sorry Bob, but Tudor says No".

The prototype works wonders, I can tell you.



ecsrobin

17,119 posts

165 months

Wednesday 15th April 2015
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Vipers said:
Dr Jekyll said:
Vipers said:
Given that the RAF often fly jets around the lakes, I am sure he wouldn't have had permission to fly that low over the lake, or even be in the vicinity. Just guessing.




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Why would he need permission to be in the vicinity?
Doesn't my post sort of explain it. You can't go willy nilly flying where you feel like flying. Or can you!





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You can.

mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

255 months

Wednesday 15th April 2015
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He be fishing. Oooh, arrrr....

Vipers

32,886 posts

228 months

Wednesday 15th April 2015
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ecsrobin said:
Vipers said:
Dr Jekyll said:
Vipers said:
Given that the RAF often fly jets around the lakes, I am sure he wouldn't have had permission to fly that low over the lake, or even be in the vicinity. Just guessing.




smile
Why would he need permission to be in the vicinity?
Doesn't my post sort of explain it. You can't go willy nilly flying where you feel like flying. Or can you!





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You can.
I'll take your word for that, but I am surprised, with the RAF carrying out 500mph low level flying in that area. Not to worry, tks.




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MarkwG

4,848 posts

189 months

Wednesday 15th April 2015
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Vipers said:
ecsrobin said:
Vipers said:
Dr Jekyll said:
Vipers said:
Given that the RAF often fly jets around the lakes, I am sure he wouldn't have had permission to fly that low over the lake, or even be in the vicinity. Just guessing.




smile
Why would he need permission to be in the vicinity?
Doesn't my post sort of explain it. You can't go willy nilly flying where you feel like flying. Or can you!





smile
You can.
I'll take your word for that, but I am surprised, with the RAF carrying out 500mph low level flying in that area. Not to worry, tks.




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Provided you're flying outside controlled airspace, see & avoid rules apply to both parties: this may help explain things a bit. https://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/ga_srg_09webSSL18Nov...

ecsrobin

17,119 posts

165 months

Wednesday 15th April 2015
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Vipers said:
I'll take your word for that, but I am surprised, with the RAF carrying out 500mph low level flying in that area. Not to worry, tks.
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Previous job was RAF Fast Jet operations dealing with this kind of thing wink

Dr Jekyll

23,820 posts

261 months

Thursday 16th April 2015
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There was a case a couple of years ago when a light aircraft ended up in the river Derwent, the pilot claiming that he had suffered and engine failure and was trying to make it into a field on the far side of the river.

The inquiry report observed that the aircraft had clearly been flying along the river not across when it hit the water, and that it was difficult to see how the pilot could have had enough height to turn 90deg but not to make it across the river. It also remarked on the odd coincidence that a friend of the pilot just happened to be standing on the bank with a video camera. In short it went as close as any report does to saying 'pull the other one matey'.

The pilot was later killed in an aerobatic crash, not to the surprise of other pilots that knew him.

Dr Jekyll

23,820 posts

261 months

Thursday 16th April 2015
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mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

255 months

Friday 17th April 2015
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Bet that pisses the fish off, no end....hehe