Aircraft down at Blackbushe?
Discussion
jamieduff1981 said:
From what's been published thus far, the microlight is only mentioned as context for lots of changes to rates of climb and descent.
The microlight pilot isn't responsible for an accident following being overtaken in the same way that it's not your fault if a car overtakes you on the road then crashes afterwards - unless of course there was an airspace infringement by the microlight pilot but that would be determined immediately, isn't mentioned in the AAIB bulletin (downwind leg suggests the microlight may have been in the circuit already - either way there is no suggestion that the microlight pilot shouldn't have been there. If if he shouldn't have been there, it still doesn't explain the decision to carry on with an approach.
There's currently an argument on PPrune or Flyer Forum as the micro pilot was wearing a GoPro and has posted the video of the aftermath. The microlight pilot isn't responsible for an accident following being overtaken in the same way that it's not your fault if a car overtakes you on the road then crashes afterwards - unless of course there was an airspace infringement by the microlight pilot but that would be determined immediately, isn't mentioned in the AAIB bulletin (downwind leg suggests the microlight may have been in the circuit already - either way there is no suggestion that the microlight pilot shouldn't have been there. If if he shouldn't have been there, it still doesn't explain the decision to carry on with an approach.
I've tried to find it just comes up link not working. 
someone mentions it later on its been removed then they continue arguing about the length of the run etc
There's another video taking of the aftermath which is still up. On one of the early page in the flyer forum .
They both seem to think it was pilot fault and he should have went around
someone mentions it later on its been removed then they continue arguing about the length of the run etc There's another video taking of the aftermath which is still up. On one of the early page in the flyer forum .
They both seem to think it was pilot fault and he should have went around
https://assets.digital.cabinet-office.gov.uk/media...
The members who wanted to wait for the AAIB report can now reflect that the member who was vilified was actually spot on.
" The aircraft continued its approach at approximately 150 KIAS. Between 1,200 and 500 ft aal the rate of descent averaged approximately 3,000 fpm, and at 500 ft aal was 2,500 fpm. The aircraft’s TAWS generated six ‘pull up’ warnings on final approach. The aircraft crossed the threshold of Runway 25 at approximately 50 ft aal at 150 KIAS.
Tyre marks made by the aircraft at touchdown indicated that it landed approximately 710 m beyond the Runway 25 threshold. Runway 25 has a declared Landing Distance Available (LDA) of 1,059 m; therefore the aircraft touched down approximately 349 m before the end of the declared LDA, 438 m before the end of the paved runway surface. "
The members who wanted to wait for the AAIB report can now reflect that the member who was vilified was actually spot on.
" The aircraft continued its approach at approximately 150 KIAS. Between 1,200 and 500 ft aal the rate of descent averaged approximately 3,000 fpm, and at 500 ft aal was 2,500 fpm. The aircraft’s TAWS generated six ‘pull up’ warnings on final approach. The aircraft crossed the threshold of Runway 25 at approximately 50 ft aal at 150 KIAS.
Tyre marks made by the aircraft at touchdown indicated that it landed approximately 710 m beyond the Runway 25 threshold. Runway 25 has a declared Landing Distance Available (LDA) of 1,059 m; therefore the aircraft touched down approximately 349 m before the end of the declared LDA, 438 m before the end of the paved runway surface. "
Tartarus said:
https://assets.digital.cabinet-office.gov.uk/media...
The members who wanted to wait for the AAIB report can now reflect that the member who was vilified was actually spot on.
" The aircraft continued its approach at approximately 150 KIAS. Between 1,200 and 500 ft aal the rate of descent averaged approximately 3,000 fpm, and at 500 ft aal was 2,500 fpm. The aircraft’s TAWS generated six ‘pull up’ warnings on final approach. The aircraft crossed the threshold of Runway 25 at approximately 50 ft aal at 150 KIAS.
Tyre marks made by the aircraft at touchdown indicated that it landed approximately 710 m beyond the Runway 25 threshold. Runway 25 has a declared Landing Distance Available (LDA) of 1,059 m; therefore the aircraft touched down approximately 349 m before the end of the declared LDA, 438 m before the end of the paved runway surface. "
Interesting choice for a first ever post...The members who wanted to wait for the AAIB report can now reflect that the member who was vilified was actually spot on.
" The aircraft continued its approach at approximately 150 KIAS. Between 1,200 and 500 ft aal the rate of descent averaged approximately 3,000 fpm, and at 500 ft aal was 2,500 fpm. The aircraft’s TAWS generated six ‘pull up’ warnings on final approach. The aircraft crossed the threshold of Runway 25 at approximately 50 ft aal at 150 KIAS.
Tyre marks made by the aircraft at touchdown indicated that it landed approximately 710 m beyond the Runway 25 threshold. Runway 25 has a declared Landing Distance Available (LDA) of 1,059 m; therefore the aircraft touched down approximately 349 m before the end of the declared LDA, 438 m before the end of the paved runway surface. "
Tartarus said:
https://assets.digital.cabinet-office.gov.uk/media...
The members who wanted to wait for the AAIB report can now reflect that the member who was vilified was actually spot on.
He (you) was vilified for being a dick. The members who wanted to wait for the AAIB report can now reflect that the member who was vilified was actually spot on.
Tartarus said:
Nevertheless he was posting accurate and insightful comment well before it was public domain.
Probably the same with the Gnat discussion.
So how do we feel about single pilot ops to small runways now we know the facts?
No change in our views. Probably the same with the Gnat discussion.
So how do we feel about single pilot ops to small runways now we know the facts?
Edited by Tartarus on Friday 14th August 08:32
Tartarus said:
Nevertheless he was posting accurate and insightful comment well before it was public domain.
Probably the same with the Gnat discussion.
So how do we feel about single pilot ops to small runways now we know the facts?
You're him aren't you? Probably the same with the Gnat discussion.
So how do we feel about single pilot ops to small runways now we know the facts?
Edited by Tartarus on Friday 14th August 08:32
el stovey said:
Tartarus said:
Nevertheless he was posting accurate and insightful comment well before it was public domain.
Probably the same with the Gnat discussion.
So how do we feel about single pilot ops to small runways now we know the facts?
You're him aren't you? Probably the same with the Gnat discussion.
So how do we feel about single pilot ops to small runways now we know the facts?
Edited by Tartarus on Friday 14th August 08:32
dr_gn said:
Interesting choice for a first ever post...
Tartarus said:
I'm his brother.
I concurred with his assessment. Open and shut case. You would have thought a billionaire family who have lost several family members to private jet crashes would stipulate a higher quality of operation.
Wow you've not only got a total lack of empathy, you've now created a profile to agree with and praise yourself. Is that sociopathic or narcissistic? I concurred with his assessment. Open and shut case. You would have thought a billionaire family who have lost several family members to private jet crashes would stipulate a higher quality of operation.
Seriously, you need to get down to your AME or to the CAA, you've possibly got a personality disorder. You might be able to get it sorted but you shouldn't be in charge of a bicycle let alone any aircraft.
Got knows who you work for but you need professional help.
Tartarus said:
Nevertheless he was posting accurate and insightful comment well before it was public domain.
Probably the same with the Gnat discussion.
So how do we feel about single pilot ops to small runways now we know the facts?
Curiously supportive posts by a new protagonist with a zero post count is a classic fail.Probably the same with the Gnat discussion.
So how do we feel about single pilot ops to small runways now we know the facts?
Edited by Tartarus on Friday 14th August 08:32
Edited by Simpo Two on Friday 14th August 11:48
Tartarus said:
You would have thought a billionaire family who have lost several family members to private jet crashes would stipulate a higher quality of operation.
Why?(I believe) that the aircraft had operated from Blackbushe previously without incident.
Why would you spend additional landing fees on using an airport with a longer runway if you did not need to, just because you could afford to?
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