Crash at Shoreham Air show
Discussion
RYH64E said:
I get the impression that even diehard airshow fanatics are embarrassed by Rover's support of their cause, it's hard to think of a worse advocate.
I know 100% he's wrong in some of his 'factual' statements. I'm not proving it in public out of respect for the people involved. His comments about the Shoreham crowd are clearly distasteful to say the least.
A couple of points
- No one deserved that day, however some of those that died where aware there was an airshow going on and where there to watch it. In theory they knew there was a risk, but considered it extremely unlikely like all of those inside the side. However a number were just passing by and may not have realised an airshow was taking place.
- I have not flown in airshows nor am I a pilot, but I suspect pilots feel an obligation to take part even if the weather is poor. We only have to look at a number of helicopter accidents to see that on occasions pilots fly when they perhaps they shouldn't.
As reagrds this incident lets hope the report is out soon
- No one deserved that day, however some of those that died where aware there was an airshow going on and where there to watch it. In theory they knew there was a risk, but considered it extremely unlikely like all of those inside the side. However a number were just passing by and may not have realised an airshow was taking place.
- I have not flown in airshows nor am I a pilot, but I suspect pilots feel an obligation to take part even if the weather is poor. We only have to look at a number of helicopter accidents to see that on occasions pilots fly when they perhaps they shouldn't.
As reagrds this incident lets hope the report is out soon
. And I am guessing he's a RoverP6B said:
I was taught to fly powered aircraft (having come from gliders), and taught aerobatics, by no less a figure than the late, great Ted Girdler, ex-Red Arrows QFI in the Ray Hanna era. I can still remember everything he taught me about rolling, turning and spinning the Beagle Pup 150. He, alas, expired at the controls of an L-29 Delfin off the coast at Eastbourne back in 2000, despite having recently been given a squeaky-clean bill of health by the CAA's doctors. They never found out what killed him - not impact injuries and not any of the usual natural causes. I haven't flown for some years now, and my physical health prevents any resumption, but, were that to change, after some refreshers in the Pup and Bulldog, I could work my way up through the JP to the Hunter and fly the thing competently and safely. One never forgets the tenets one has been taught. Although it's over 30 years since I last flew the Pup, I still have the entire start-up procedure committed to memory. I still have the muscular memory of the feel through the stick and rudder pedals.
Sounds like the sort of training many thousands of Air cadets have had over the years.mybrainhurts said:
nickfrog said:
RoverP6B vs the rest of the world
I've only read a few recent posts, so pardon me if I've missed something, but I'm surprised he's keeping so polite under the barrage of bullying, sadly pervading PH of late. mybrainhurts said:
nickfrog said:
RoverP6B vs the rest of the world
I've only read a few recent posts, so pardon me if I've missed something, but I'm surprised he's keeping so polite under the barrage of bullying, sadly pervading PH of late. It seems a lot of the original posters have withdrawn away now, whether they are distancing themselves from the arrogant, narrow minded posts of RoverP6B or for other reasons I don't know.
A lot of posters having a polar opposite view to one poster does not constitute 'bullying'.
RoverP6B said:
TooMany2cvs said:
So who would you trust?
I trust BADA and the aircraft owners and operators a hang sight more than I trust the AAIB (who were found to have taken various falsehoods and errors at face value in the Tiger Moth case) or the CAA (who have turned this whole thing into a gigantic profiteering bureaucracy exercise).Anyway, CAA? Has Shoreham been annexed as part of the 54th state? (Or are we higher than 54 now?)
And quite what the British Antique Dealer's Association have to do with the price of fish...
Bluedot said:
I've pretty much kept up with this thread since the incident occurred. The fact that this thread was started on Boats,Planes & Trains (as opposed to News) meant that there was a lot of the 'flying community' participating and in some ways they outnumbered the rest of us (99% morons?) who were seriously questioning the whole point and safety of airshows that are watched by a small minority of the population.
It seems a lot of the original posters have withdrawn away now,
Just waiting for the report to come out.It seems a lot of the original posters have withdrawn away now,
As I said on a previous page I thought this was BP&T where we normally manage to avoid all this froth.
Hoping the outcome will be same as Health and Safety. The idea isn't to shut an activity down, but ensure it's carried out safely.
mybrainhurts said:
I've only read a few recent posts, so pardon me if I've missed something, but I'm surprised he's keeping so polite under the barrage of bullying, sadly pervading PH of late.
I try not to rise to the bait of uninformed ignorance. Aviation is a more technical world than just about any other - and, if you aren't or haven't been a part of it somehow, you really don't understand it.eccles said:
Sounds like the sort of training many thousands of Air cadets have had over the years.
Basic cadet training doesn't include aerobatics as far as I know - certainly didn't in my day. All I got were heavy, lumbering gliders. But, as said, I did train on the Bulldog's little brother, the Pup 150, with the ex-Red Arrows QFI beside me...TooMany2cvs said:
Ooookay. So no air crash has ever had anything to do with aircraft owners or operators, ever? And quite what the British Antique Dealer's Association have to do with the price of fish...
I didn't say that - but, in recent times, it's become apparent that the CAA doesn't know what it's doing (or doesn't care what damage it's causing), and the AAIB has committed some major cockups that have come to light in court. BADA - the British Air Display Association.
The next instalment...
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploa...
Still think the CAA are over-reacting? I don't!
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploa...
Still think the CAA are over-reacting? I don't!
eccles said:
RoverP6B said:
I was taught to fly powered aircraft (having come from gliders), and taught aerobatics, by no less a figure than the late, great Ted Girdler, ex-Red Arrows QFI in the Ray Hanna era. I can still remember everything he taught me about rolling, turning and spinning the Beagle Pup 150. He, alas, expired at the controls of an L-29 Delfin off the coast at Eastbourne back in 2000, despite having recently been given a squeaky-clean bill of health by the CAA's doctors. They never found out what killed him - not impact injuries and not any of the usual natural causes. I haven't flown for some years now, and my physical health prevents any resumption, but, were that to change, after some refreshers in the Pup and Bulldog, I could work my way up through the JP to the Hunter and fly the thing competently and safely. One never forgets the tenets one has been taught. Although it's over 30 years since I last flew the Pup, I still have the entire start-up procedure committed to memory. I still have the muscular memory of the feel through the stick and rudder pedals.
Sounds like the sort of training many thousands of Air cadets have had over the years.Does it then qualify me to post in this thread? Not in the slightest.
Except I just did. Damn.
Edited by RedLeicester on Thursday 11th February 13:02
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