Crash at Shoreham Air show
Discussion
oyster said:
Well for one I suppose it's unusual that out of 11 random fatalities on a road in southern England on a sunny Saturday lunchtime all are male. No relevance to anything, but nonetheless an unusual statistical situation.
As to no children, well that perhaps does have more relevance as there's no doubt people would have felt worse had children been involved (directly killed of course - I am aware that children are very much impacted by this tragedy).
It is potentially a coincidence that those who were killed in cars were male and there were no females or children. For those standing by the side of the road watching the airshow it is possibly less surprising.As to no children, well that perhaps does have more relevance as there's no doubt people would have felt worse had children been involved (directly killed of course - I am aware that children are very much impacted by this tragedy).
5150 said:
Magog said:
Am I right in thinking that the initial AAIB report is imminent.
Unlikely. The AAIB are as thorough as you can get with aircraft accidents. Expect around two years for the official report. 
Butter Face said:
Fragmentation of the body due to blunt force trauma, just sounds so brutal 
http://www.eadt.co.uk/news/hero_airman_from_raf_la...The maintenance airman from the US Air Force’s 48th Fighter Wing rushed to the aid of his French counterparts in the moments after the tragic crash that killed 10 people at Los Llanos Airbase.
Hero airman from RAF Lakenheath honoured for saving three men after a Greek F-16 jet crashed at a Spanish airbase
"“I was behind an airplane working and I just heard a small bang, I came round my airplane and saw the fire.
“I ran over there to grab the first person. I put out his fire pretty well and ripped what ever clothing he had off him”
The plane was billowing black smoke and was burning intensely, with Staff Sgt Swarz only able to use his bare hands to put out the flames.
After pulling the first man from the wreckage, the airman of six years rushed back to grab the second man, leaving him with colleagues who were just arriving.
Without any regard for his own burns, and suffering from smoke inhalation, he then returned for the third man.
He said: “I returned for the third person who was an amputee and by the time I had dragged him clear I was exhausted.”
The Sicily born engineer explained that training kicked in, helping him to stop the third man from bleeding to death.
He said: “I made a tourniquet with my belt as he had lost his right arm, a little below the elbow. The tourniquet stopped him from bleeding.”
...........Lakenheath airman gets France's highest award for crash rescue...........
Oh btw, the inquiry for ^^this^^ one points the finger at the pilots failing to re-do pre take off checks after waiting for 20 minutes during which time they carried out some exercise admin then incorrectly stowing some gear...which operated the emergency trim controls putting the Viper totally out of trim for the take off......
Chrisgr31 said:
There was a theory that an initial AAIB report would be out this week, who knows if it will happen though.
Depends if there is political pressure put to bear on them or not - hopefully even if there is, the AAIB will just ignore it and continue to do what they do so well.RaeB said:
The diversion at Long Furlong where the fatality occurred is, unfortunately a dangerous road with many fatalities. During winter there are usually accidents every week. So I don't see how you can attribute this to the Shoreham incident.
Never understood how so many crash on that road, it's got excellent sight lines etc.aeropilot said:
Chrisgr31 said:
There was a theory that an initial AAIB report would be out this week, who knows if it will happen though.
Depends if there is political pressure put to bear on them or not - hopefully even if there is, the AAIB will just ignore it and continue to do what they do so well.Chrisgr31 said:
5150 said:
Magog said:
Am I right in thinking that the initial AAIB report is imminent.
Unlikely. The AAIB are as thorough as you can get with aircraft accidents. Expect around two years for the official report. They come with this clearly worded proviso;
AAIB said:
This Special Bulletin contains facts which have been determined up to the time of issue. It is published to inform the aviation
industry and the public of the general circumstances of accidents and serious incidents and should be regarded as tentative and
subject to alteration or correction if additional evidence becomes available
industry and the public of the general circumstances of accidents and serious incidents and should be regarded as tentative and
subject to alteration or correction if additional evidence becomes available
First details of the accident report saying the pilot was thrown clear during the later part of the crash and there is cockpit footage.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-341566...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-341566...
HughG said:
And the bulletin here https://assets.digital.cabinet-office.gov.uk/media...
Interesting report. Is it suggesting that he started the manoeuvre from too low?Page 3 of report said:
The aircraft remained in a gentle right turn with the angle of bank decreasing as it descended to 100 ft amsl and flew along the display line. It commenced a gentle climbing right turn to 1,600 ft amsl, executing a Derry turn2 to the left and then commenced a descending left turn to 200 ft amsl, approaching the display line at an angle of about 45º. The aircraft then pitched up into a manoeuvre with both a vertical component and roll to the left, becoming almost fully inverted at the apex of the manoeuvre at a height of approximately 2,600 ft amsl.
Page 5 of report said:
He held a valid Display Authorisation (DA), issued by the UK CAA, to display the Hawker Hunter to a minimum height of 100 ft during flypasts and 500 ft during Standard3 category aerobatic manoeuvres.
ralphrj said:
HughG said:
And the bulletin here https://assets.digital.cabinet-office.gov.uk/media...
Interesting report. Is it suggesting that he started the manoeuvre from too low?.
Their final report (as mentioned previous) in around two years time, will offer objective conclusions and suggestions based only on the evidence.
HughG said:
And the bulletin here https://assets.digital.cabinet-office.gov.uk/media...
Interesting read, I`m surprised there has only been 4 posts on the thread about it.To those ITK, is it standard practice to fully fuel the plane for such a short flight, and knowing it was going to perform those manoeuvres?
T66ORA said:
HughG said:
And the bulletin here https://assets.digital.cabinet-office.gov.uk/media...
Interesting read, I`m surprised there has only been 4 posts on the thread about it.To those ITK, is it standard practice to fully fuel the plane for such a short flight, and knowing it was going to perform those manoeuvres?
T66ORA said:
Interesting read, I`m surprised there has only been 4 posts on the thread about it.
To those ITK, is it standard practice to fully fuel the plane for such a short flight, and knowing it was going to perform those manoeuvres?
It used to be said, in fact it counted as a joke until 2 weeks ago. That you only have too much fuel if you are on fire, and on the ground.To those ITK, is it standard practice to fully fuel the plane for such a short flight, and knowing it was going to perform those manoeuvres?
ralphrj said:
HughG said:
And the bulletin here https://assets.digital.cabinet-office.gov.uk/media...
Interesting report. Is it suggesting that he started the manoeuvre from too low?Page 3 of report said:
The aircraft remained in a gentle right turn with the angle of bank decreasing as it descended to 100 ft amsl and flew along the display line. It commenced a gentle climbing right turn to 1,600 ft amsl, executing a Derry turn2 to the left and then commenced a descending left turn to 200 ft amsl, approaching the display line at an angle of about 45º. The aircraft then pitched up into a manoeuvre with both a vertical component and roll to the left, becoming almost fully inverted at the apex of the manoeuvre at a height of approximately 2,600 ft amsl.
Page 5 of report said:
He held a valid Display Authorisation (DA), issued by the UK CAA, to display the Hawker Hunter to a minimum height of 100 ft during flypasts and 500 ft during Standard3 category aerobatic manoeuvres.
He didn't enter the loop from 100ft from the end of the runway from what I can see?
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