Crash at Shoreham Air show
Discussion
Dr Jekyll said:
dr_gn said:
If the Police were investigating the deaths of several pedestrians caused by a car misjudging a bend, wouldn't they want to question the driver immediately, rather than waiting until their own team had concluded their investigatons?
In that case the driver would be arrested at the scene on suspicion of causing death by dangerous driving. Pilots are rarely arrested prior to an investigation, this one certainly wasn't.Obviously the laws regarding flying vs. driving on a public road are different, but that's irrelevant for the victims/famiies.
dr_gn said:
Dr Jekyll said:
dr_gn said:
If the Police were investigating the deaths of several pedestrians caused by a car misjudging a bend, wouldn't they want to question the driver immediately, rather than waiting until their own team had concluded their investigatons?
In that case the driver would be arrested at the scene on suspicion of causing death by dangerous driving. Pilots are rarely arrested prior to an investigation, this one certainly wasn't.Obviously the laws regarding flying vs. driving on a public road are different, but that's irrelevant for the victims/famiies.
The police investigate car crashes because they are experienced at investigating car crashes.
The AAIB investigate air crashes because they are experienced at investigating air crashes.
dr_gn said:
So what's the difference between the two? Not necessarily saying it's the case here, but if a pilot kills or injures a bystander due to a misjudgement, compared with the driver of a car doing the same?
Obviously the laws regarding flying vs. driving on a public road are different, but that's irrelevant for the victims/famiies.
The difference is the AAIB, Air Accidents Investigation Branch. It is explicitly not their job to apportion blame. As opposed to the police ethos of 'no such thing as an accident, someone must be to blame'.Obviously the laws regarding flying vs. driving on a public road are different, but that's irrelevant for the victims/famiies.
A pilot can be charged with negligently endangering the aircraft and/or people on the ground, but just making a mistake isn't illegal. When a pilot is prosecuted it tends to be by the CAA not the police.
SMB said:
tt601 said:
I would have thought the damage to hardware and surrounds would merit some form of official investigation and recording, for the formal record and presume subsequent cost of repairs etc.
What's to be gained at this point? unlike some road accidents, what happened is well known, the issue is why, and the police don't have the skills to answer that, the aaib do.As i said, i would have thought a "formal record' of at least hat area of information would be incredibly useful whilst is current and available,- and independently recorded/captured- as opposed to relying on 'everyone knowing' what happened months or years down the line. Just my view, naturally.
tt601 said:
do the AAIB record and get involved in all the material damage to private and public property ?, provide reference points for insurance claims?
As i said, i would have thought a "formal record' of at least hat area of information would be incredibly useful whilst is current and available,- and independently recorded/captured- as opposed to relying on 'everyone knowing' what happened months or years down the line. Just my view, naturally.
The aaib will be lead Investigation agency, they will share findings and work with the police. They will have recorded the scene in detail, probably with police help. the police will provide any insurance reference points if they are required, as what happened is not debated, I would expect the aircraft operators third party insurance would cover liability just as any road accident. The aaib investigation will work on why? Why may lead to some police involvement if there is either a maintainance issue or pilot issue.As i said, i would have thought a "formal record' of at least hat area of information would be incredibly useful whilst is current and available,- and independently recorded/captured- as opposed to relying on 'everyone knowing' what happened months or years down the line. Just my view, naturally.
tt601 said:
do the AAIB record and get involved in all the material damage to private and public property ?, provide reference points for insurance claims?
As i said, i would have thought a "formal record' of at least hat area of information would be incredibly useful whilst is current and available,- and independently recorded/captured- as opposed to relying on 'everyone knowing' what happened months or years down the line. Just my view, naturally.
The aaib will be lead Investigation agency, they will share findings and work with the police. They will have recorded the scene in detail, probably with police help. the police will provide any insurance reference points if they are required, as what happened is not debated, I would expect the aircraft operators third party insurance would cover liability just as any road accident. The aaib investigation will work on why? Why may lead to some police involvement if there is either a maintainance issue or pilot issue.As i said, i would have thought a "formal record' of at least hat area of information would be incredibly useful whilst is current and available,- and independently recorded/captured- as opposed to relying on 'everyone knowing' what happened months or years down the line. Just my view, naturally.
mybrainhurts said:
I hear that picture was in the Sun. Not sure I believe it.
Well it certainly does appear to be AH just looking at previous photos of him, but he does appear to have 'visually aged' about 10 years in the space of a few months, even by very recent pre-crash photos, but given what he's been through, that's hardly surprising he's not looking a little haggard!Remarkable though that so soon, he seems that recovered already (physically at least
)I'd suspected that he'd be coming out of this relatively physically unscathed, as I thought it odd that there was such secrecy over his moving hospital and being discharged etc. I suspect it was because his injuries were quite light and family were worried that if that was being reported, it would be a bitter pill for the families of the dead to swallow.
Did he actually manage to eject? Whatever, it is a truly remarkable outcome from a crash at such speed and with such carnage.
Did he actually manage to eject? Whatever, it is a truly remarkable outcome from a crash at such speed and with such carnage.
s3fella said:
I'd suspected that he'd be coming out of this relatively physically unscathed, as I thought it odd that there was such secrecy over his moving hospital and being discharged etc. I suspect it was because his injuries were quite light and family were worried that if that was being reported, it would be a bitter pill for the families of the dead to swallow.
Did he actually manage to eject? Whatever, it is a truly remarkable outcome from a crash at such speed and with such carnage.
As I understand it he was dragged out of the cockpit.Did he actually manage to eject? Whatever, it is a truly remarkable outcome from a crash at such speed and with such carnage.
I was told by someone who was there he had a spinal injury and very nasty burns to his face. I didn't post that information previously as it was unnecessary.
Clearly not though although I guess the situation can look a lot worse than it is at the time.
RoverP6B said:
Compare to recent pre-crash photos, he's not really aged that much. His physical condition appears astonishingly good.
What worries me is that thousand-yard stare... can you begin to imagine the anguish he must be feeling?
It's really harrowing isn't it. For whatever anyone thinks, his intention that day was to entertain. That is all.What worries me is that thousand-yard stare... can you begin to imagine the anguish he must be feeling?
Alongside the actual guilt, there is almost certainly also survivor guilt. On top of that, if the plane had flown for another second, not only might he have cleared the road but there might not have been anyone near enough to pull him out before he burnt. That's a lot to cope with, let alone what else of the incident may be running through his head.
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