Crash at Shoreham Air show
Discussion
tritium said:
Well, wait for the full report to be published then.
You can take this to the bank though, you're not going to be seeing any Cold War era military aircraft perform loops or rolls at UK air shows again. The CAA are decided on this.
They were never exactly spectacular, so no real loss IMO.You can take this to the bank though, you're not going to be seeing any Cold War era military aircraft perform loops or rolls at UK air shows again. The CAA are decided on this.
I'd be surprised if the report contained any reference to 'pilot error' even.
It's more likely to be a descriptive account of the events and the reasons for those outcomes.
Once we've seen the entire official report we can make our own conclusions [accordingly]
I'm not likely to be swayed by something that was relayed to me third hand by some bloke on the internet.
It's more likely to be a descriptive account of the events and the reasons for those outcomes.
Once we've seen the entire official report we can make our own conclusions [accordingly]
I'm not likely to be swayed by something that was relayed to me third hand by some bloke on the internet.
I've read and contributed to enough accident reports over the decades to feel comfortable boiling down each one into pithy one liners. Pilot cocked it up by being too low/high slow/fast is top of the pops in that game.
If Andy Hills CV is inadequate for doing this sort of activity, which it now seems it is, then so is that of virtually everyone else doing it. The gnat crash rather made the same point.
If Andy Hills CV is inadequate for doing this sort of activity, which it now seems it is, then so is that of virtually everyone else doing it. The gnat crash rather made the same point.
tritium said:
If Andy Hills CV is inadequate for doing this sort of activity, which it now seems it is, then so is that of virtually everyone else doing it. The gnat crash rather made the same point.
So how come display crashes of civilian jets are pretty rare? Offhand I can't think of any before last year that were unambiguously pilot error.Dr Jekyll said:
tritium said:
If Andy Hills CV is inadequate for doing this sort of activity, which it now seems it is, then so is that of virtually everyone else doing it. The gnat crash rather made the same point.
So how come display crashes of civilian jets are pretty rare? Offhand I can't think of any before last year that were unambiguously pilot error.
dr_gn said:
Dr Jekyll said:
tritium said:
If Andy Hills CV is inadequate for doing this sort of activity, which it now seems it is, then so is that of virtually everyone else doing it. The gnat crash rather made the same point.
So how come display crashes of civilian jets are pretty rare? Offhand I can't think of any before last year that were unambiguously pilot error.Even assuming that Andy Hill did enter the manoeuvre too low and that this did was the primary cause of the accident, the most comparable similar accident was the Thunderbirds crash in 2003. That pilot in that incident was not just a full time professional military jet pilot but a full time display pilot.
Dr Jekyll said:
dr_gn said:
Dr Jekyll said:
tritium said:
If Andy Hills CV is inadequate for doing this sort of activity, which it now seems it is, then so is that of virtually everyone else doing it. The gnat crash rather made the same point.
So how come display crashes of civilian jets are pretty rare? Offhand I can't think of any before last year that were unambiguously pilot error.The low speed handling issues common to many swept-wing fast jets are well known.
dr_gn said:
Dr Jekyll said:
dr_gn said:
Dr Jekyll said:
tritium said:
If Andy Hills CV is inadequate for doing this sort of activity, which it now seems it is, then so is that of virtually everyone else doing it. The gnat crash rather made the same point.
So how come display crashes of civilian jets are pretty rare? Offhand I can't think of any before last year that were unambiguously pilot error.The low speed handling issues common to many swept-wing fast jets are well known.
Dr Jekyll said:
dr_gn said:
Dr Jekyll said:
dr_gn said:
Dr Jekyll said:
tritium said:
If Andy Hills CV is inadequate for doing this sort of activity, which it now seems it is, then so is that of virtually everyone else doing it. The gnat crash rather made the same point.
So how come display crashes of civilian jets are pretty rare? Offhand I can't think of any before last year that were unambiguously pilot error.The low speed handling issues common to many swept-wing fast jets are well known.
dr_gn said:
So if they're not relevant, why does the interim report into the Shoreham crash mention them specifically instead of "jets" in general" These reports don't usually contain irrelevant information.
Ejection seat failures don't seem relevánt to the crash either. It could be a case of wanting to tightén rules anyway in line with the govt principle of never letting a disaster go to waste. Ejection seats were already recommended for swept wing jets even before this.Gassing Station | Boats, Planes & Trains | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff