Crash at Shoreham Air show

[Caruso]

The BBC article said:

As part of its inquiry, the force has applied to see material gathered by the Air Accident Investigation Bureau including cockpit recorders from the vintage Hawker Hunter and other footage.

So presumably the AAIB could say "wait till the report comes out"? Or alternatively if it's recorded material from the flight rather than witness testimony they may be willing to release it?

[HoHoHo]

I would have thought if the report suggests a low entry altitude and perhaps other issues contrary to air show regs etc. the police probably have sufficient to prosecute?

[Chrisgr31]

HoHoHo said:

Where does it suggest the police are taking the AAIB to court?

I would have thought the AAIB will provide the authorities with any data they ask for, once they have gathered everything themselves.

Here http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/12201164/Key-evide... and confirmed on new today (BBC I think)

[SilverSpur]

Almost a year and no statement by the pilot to the families of the eleven men killed. families devestated and ruined.


He survives by a miracle, but has not the decency to stand up and say on record anything about the incident. No indication of fault or regret.

[Butter Face]

I dare say that's down to his legal representation. There's still an investigation ongoing and legal wranglings to deal with.

He still has to wake up and live with it every morning which I suspect is pretty traumatic.

[BrabusMog]

So do the family members of the innocent victims who died that day.

[Butter Face]

You're right of course, I'm not defending or commenting either way, just an objective view.

I'm sure he feels a huge amount of sorrow and regret, his inaction in expressing it publicly is not a fair barometer of his true feelings.

It's a very tough and sensitive situation for all involved, especially the families of those who died.

[BrabusMog]

You're probably right, but I have no sympathy for him, he took a risk and it had devestating consequences.

[SilverSpur]

I'm not going to judge what the cause of the incident was before the report, and I understand he's probably had a lot of legal advice to say nothing. However, sometimes a man has to stand up and say something that might bring some consolation or closure to the victims families. There may be many factors but he was the captain in charge of the plane.

Most people would indeed be devestated if they had to live with this type of incident. But not everyone does. Some people have a mechanism for shifting blame and absolving themselves with denial. Most people are broken by such events. But not all. I wonder which he is? With nothing to say so far, I would guess he maybe has a list of mitigation prepared.

[saaby93]

BrabusMog said:

You're probably right, but I have no sympathy for him, he took a risk and it had devestating consequences.

Gawd - we don't know that yet - we're still waiting the report to see any number of things that led up to what happened.
Often these things come down to pilot error as whatever situation he was presented the pilot is there to get the thing out of the mess, which it looked like he almost managed but not enough height or speed to play with.
Or is that now me moving into speculation

Edited by saaby93 on Wednesday 17th August 09:37

[aeropilot]

saaby93 said:

BrabusMog said:

You're probably right, but I have no sympathy for him, he took a risk and it had devestating consequences.

Gawd - we don't know that yet - we're still waiting the report to see any number of things that led up to what happened.

Exactly.....AAIB report takes precedence (as even the local Plod have found out) and until after that happens......he'll rightly say nothing in public.

However, I do find it odd that the AAIB have delayed publishing the final report by this length of time so far?

[dr_gn]

Surely a simple expression of sympathy for the victims and their families wouldn't have prejudiced the investigation?

[Europa1]

dr_gn said:

Surely a simple expression of sympathy for the victims and their families wouldn't have prejudiced the investigation?

Given that the medical profession can now do this in the wake of medical mishaps, whereas used to have the "say nothing because it will be seen as an admission of liability" mentality, you would have thought he could come up with something.

[HoHoHo]

On the late Southern News last night the mother of the youngest victim made it quite clear she was not happy with the current speed of the investigation and 'if' there was any possibility the pilot made a mistake contrary to aviation law etc. they would prosecute without doubt..

Bearing that in mind I would suggest he's been told to keep quiet until whenever.

[saaby93]

aeropilot said:

Exactly.....AAIB report takes precedence (as even the local Plod have found out) and until after that happens......he'll rightly say nothing in public.

However, I do find it odd that the AAIB have delayed publishing the final report by this length of time so far?

AAIB may be only too well aware that if pilots (or anyone else) begin being prosecuted it could affect openness for future AAIB investigations.
one of the reasons AAIB has precedence. Full statement of facts and recommendations without fear or favour

[mybrainhurts]

There's only one thing worse than a professional psychologist, and that's a PH amateur psychologist.

Plenty of them lurking round these here parts...

[HoHoHo]

mybrainhurts said:

There's only one thing worse than a professional psychologist, and that's a PH amateur psychologist.

Plenty of them lurking round these here parts...

I know, it's brilliant that you are able to discuss 'what if's' on a forum.........seems to be the point

[Honeywell]

The AAIB tell you to say nothing and issue no statement.

It's very important that AAIB investigations happen first and with no legal swords hanging over those investigations - preventing further accidents and establishing truth outweighs the need to serve justice.

Andy Hill nearly died and lived by a miracle. That's nothing like deny driving, reckless driving or manslughter. Nobody would set out to in any way nearly crash a single engine fighter into the ground. So it's an accident and as was pointed out very early in this thread it is most likely simple pilot error. Happens all the time. Display flying is just a cruel mistress

[dr_gn]

Honeywell said:

The AAIB tell you to say nothing and issue no statement.

It's very important that AAIB investigations happen first and with no legal swords hanging over those investigations - preventing further accidents and establishing truth outweighs the need to serve justice.

Andy Hill nearly died and lived by a miracle. That's nothing like deny driving, reckless driving or manslughter. Nobody would set out to in any way nearly crash a single engine fighter into the ground. So it's an accident and as was pointed out very early in this thread it is most likely simple pilot error. Happens all the time. Display flying is just a cruel mistress

So...if the driver of a recklessly driven car doesn't happen to die in an accident that kills some innocent bystander, it's all OK? It's just an accident? Happens all the time?

I'm sure the vast majority of drivers involved in fatal accidents don't set out to crash their cars or kill anyone, but it's probably still going to be manslaughter. Why would the mode of transpost make the slightest difference?

[Dr Jekyll]

dr_gn said:

So...if the driver of a recklessly driven car doesn't happen to die in an accident that kills some innocent bystander, it's all OK? It's just an accident? Happens all the time?

No one is saying it's OK, just that it's an accident.

dr_gn said:

I'm sure the vast majority of drivers involved in fatal accidents don't set out to crash their cars or kill anyone, but it's probably still going to be manslaughter.

Very rarely, death by dangerous or careless driving perhaps, but not necessarily even that.