Now that the Vulcan time is over

[williamp]

Time to look east, comrades.

Mig25, 29
Bear
Badger,
Blinder
Backfire

And for the coastal airshows, ekranoplan.

The vulcan is good but decadent. The cost of warbirds is capalitalist, so these will all be military. No need to invite us, we'll let you know when we arrive.

[Riley Blue]

richw_82 said:

Personally if I had to look at something other than our own aircarft, I'd like to see more of the heavy pistons reappear from the Shack's era. If anyone could rustle up a viable Hastings, Bristol Freighter, or a Varsity, o fund the DC6; I'd love to see those fly.

Rich

Coincidentally, having spent a couple of years of my childhood at RAF Lyneham, I was thinking of Transport Command aircraft: Britannia, Beverley, Argosy - they would make an impressive fly past.

[Scuffers]

So many to choose from, but 99.999% of them would be mission impossible.

Personally, i would like to see a mosquito here.

[richw_82]

There may be an Argosy flight in the USA in the near future.. after that no idea!

In regards to enthusiasts reactions, its great that the Vulcan gets such a positive one from fans, but a lot of it is self perpetuating. When the Vulcan to the Sky Trust ran out of money during the rebuild, there wasn't the mass support that exists now, it was only the 11th hour funding from Sir Jack Hayward that made it possible. Similarly the "Vulcan Effect" is one that has grown over the last 8 years of shows.

The PR guys they have working for them learned quickly from the mistakes made early on, and its paid off in spades. We tried an experiment, and now get 'spontaneous applause' after shutting down engines at our run ups.

Shoreham... what can you say. Displays will undoubtedly change, but hopefully those in charge of things will look at it as an isolated incident. In comparison to a lot of other countries we do rather well with safety at airshows in the air and on the ground. Time will tell.

[Dollyman1850]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QG1nzOmdKsI

How anyone can say a VC10 isn't anything other than epic is beyond me…Simply the best aircraft ever built in this country…In service twice as long as the Vulcan!!
N.

[HoHoHo]

Dollyman1850 said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QG1nzOmdKsI

How anyone can say a VC10 isn't anything other than epic is beyond me…Simply the best aircraft ever built in this country…In service twice as long as the Vulcan!!
N.

And still holds the speed record for transatlantic crossing (Concorde aside) for an airline so I remember

[hammo19]

Dollyman1850 said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QG1nzOmdKsI

How anyone can say a VC10 isn't anything other than epic is beyond me…Simply the best aircraft ever built in this country…In service twice as long as the Vulcan!!
N.

It is a British icon and deserves to be back in the sky. I love all aeroplanes and my hat goes off to anyone with the commitment to return anything back to the sky.

[Kitchski]

Mosquito for me. It's criminal we don't have a flyer in my opinion.

[Eric Mc]

Criminal?

That's a bit harsh. If you have a spare £2 million or so I'm sure you could get an airworthy version up and running. Jerry Yagen's was up for sale a while ago - although I don't think that any sale went through.

[onyx39]

HoHoHo said:

Dollyman1850 said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QG1nzOmdKsI

How anyone can say a VC10 isn't anything other than epic is beyond me…Simply the best aircraft ever built in this country…In service twice as long as the Vulcan!!
N.

And still holds the speed record for transatlantic crossing (Concorde aside) for an airline so I remember

I am sure I read last week that a 777 with a serious tail wind broke that.

[Dollyman1850]

onyx39 said:

HoHoHo said:

Dollyman1850 said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QG1nzOmdKsI

How anyone can say a VC10 isn't anything other than epic is beyond me…Simply the best aircraft ever built in this country…In service twice as long as the Vulcan!!
N.

And still holds the speed record for transatlantic crossing (Concorde aside) for an airline so I remember

I am sure I read last week that a 777 with a serious tail wind broke that.

777 was 5hrs 16 mins i think the VC10 is still the record holder at 5hrs and 1 minute.

N.

Edited by Dollyman1850 on Monday 31st August 17:38

[BlackST]

I was at Rhyl Saturday and it was great seeing the Vulcan.
I don't think much else could wow people like it did.

[droopsnoot]

Scuffers said:

Just to be pedantic, since when is a post war jet vintage?

That's been irritating me about some of the media coverage of Shoreham recently, though even by my standards it's a trivial irritation.

[Eric Mc]

It is extremely trivial and something most aviation enthusiasts would not even have a thought about. As I said when someone raised this on another thread, aircraft historians don't get hung up about "veteran", "vintage" definitions the way the historic car enthusiasts sometimes do.

[Scuffers]

Eric Mc said:

It is extremely trivial and something most aviation enthusiasts would not even have a thought about. As I said when someone raised this on another thread, aircraft historians don't get hung up about "veteran", "vintage" definitions the way the historic car enthusiasts sometimes do.

it's not so much being hung up about it as the perception left by the media who keep using it.

On the basis a 1960's plane is vintage, what does that make an intercity 125 (designed in the late 60's early 70's)? we are still using them every day work.

Ask the public what they perceive as vintage will being up thoughts of this:


and in plane ters, this:



I would argue the Hunter is nothing like this.

[Kitchski]

Eric Mc said:

Criminal?

That's a bit harsh. If you have a spare £2 million or so I'm sure you could get an airworthy version up and running. Jerry Yagen's was up for sale a while ago - although I don't think that any sale went through.

Apologies, I didn't think anyone would take 'criminal' literally, you know, as we're all adults etc. My mistake, forgot which forum I was in.

[Eric Mc]

I would argue it doesn't matter.

Perhaps "historic" is a better appellation.

Having said that, at what point does something become "historic"? There are a number of Hawker Hunters still in use as practical, working aircraft. Indeed, there are at least two Gloster Meteors gainfully employed at the moment.

[Eric Mc]

Kitchski said:

Eric Mc said:

Criminal?

That's a bit harsh. If you have a spare £2 million or so I'm sure you could get an airworthy version up and running. Jerry Yagen's was up for sale a while ago - although I don't think that any sale went through.

Apologies, I didn't think anyone would take 'criminal' literally, you know, as we're all adults etc. My mistake, forgot which forum I was in.

Yes we are all adults. That's why I try to use the most appropriate words wherever possible and would hope other adults would do the same.

I would have used the term "It's a shame" or "It's a pity" rather than "It's criminal".

[srob]

Eric Mc said:

I would argue it doesn't matter.

Perhaps "historic" is a better appellation.

Having said that, at what point does something become "historic"? There are a number of Hawker Hunters still in use as practical, working aircraft. Indeed, there are at least two Gloster Meteors gainfully employed at the moment.

Surely that's the whole point of having clear definitions of 'vintage', 'classic', 'veteran' etc in the old car and bike world.

It takes away the ambiguity so people know exactly the era you're talking about.

[Eric Mc]

It's just something that hasn't really been an issue in aviation. I've never seen any discussion or debate on the topic in any of the historic aviation magazines - such as "Aeroplane Monthly" or "Flypast".

I contend it matters not a jot.