Concorde to fly again ?
Discussion
Mave said:
V8 Fettler said:
Mave said:
V8 Fettler said:
Mave said:
V8 Fettler said:
I doubt if Lockheed or similar would need Airbus SST expertise to resurrect Concorde.
Nothing is impossible (apparently)... but don't underestimate how hard it is to back-engineer the design, manufacture and operation of something as complex as Concorde without any access to the original design intent.Could Lockheed design something like Concorde from scratch? No doubt. Could Lockheed write all the necessary paperwork for something they didn't design? Much more sketchy....
Dr Jekyll said:
Mave said:
What criteria are you going to test and inspect against? You borescope something and find corrosion or a crack or a bit of fretting - what next? Does it need to be fixed or not? Who's going to work up the repair scheme for a part of an unknown material subjected to an unknown duty?
Some of the Vulcan people reckon they do have the equipment and expertise to overhaul and check one of their engines even if they aren't officially qualified to do it.But parts and experts for Vulcan engines were presumably far more common than for Concorde engines.
eccles said:
That wasn't the case with the Vulcan
They have Rolls Royce providing technical assistance, and I think Marshalls for the airframe.It is the withdrawal of technical support, (as the engines and airframe reach the end of their servicable lives) which is grounding the Vulcan this year.
There was talk in 2003 of the Design Authority for Concorde being transferred to Qinetiq, but whether that was just a rumour or whether it was considered an option I don't know.
No you are right, MA weren't. A quick check and the three technical authorities for the Vulcan were Rolls Royce, BAe systems and Marshalls (I imagine to actually undertake the work).
Now as I understand it, technical authority could be transferred to another company, however BAe Systems, Rolls Royce etc would need to release all technical data and enter into an agreement with the new authority.
This is something that they were not in a position to enter in to, so really the Technical Authority hangs with the original manufacturers, unless they ever decide to release the technical data.
Now as I understand it, technical authority could be transferred to another company, however BAe Systems, Rolls Royce etc would need to release all technical data and enter into an agreement with the new authority.
This is something that they were not in a position to enter in to, so really the Technical Authority hangs with the original manufacturers, unless they ever decide to release the technical data.
eccles said:
Yes, you need the parts, but you don't have to be an 'expert' to work on the engines, it's just an engine! Much the same with the aircraft itself, it's just an aircraft if you've a set of manuals to work to and it's your trade.
You don't have to be an 'expert' to work on the engines or airframe but you do have to have the correct and in date licences to work them. Which at least as far as BA is concerned there are no engineers that have a current licence and authorisation to maintain Concorde. You can't just pick up a manual and away you go even if it's your trade!So who's going to work it?
Edited by nessiemac on Thursday 24th September 22:19
nessiemac said:
eccles said:
Yes, you need the parts, but you don't have to be an 'expert' to work on the engines, it's just an engine! Much the same with the aircraft itself, it's just an aircraft if you've a set of manuals to work to and it's your trade.
You don't have to be an 'expert' to work on the engines or airframe but you do have to have the correct and in date licences to work them. Which at least as far as BA is concerned there are no engineers that have a current licence and authorisation to maintain Concorde. You can't just pick up a manual and away you go even if it's your trade!So who's going to work it?
Edited by nessiemac on Thursday 24th September 22:19
Obviously it all depends on what Concorde is used for, but if it's just for demonstration flights like the Vulcan it's easy enough to be legal to work the aircraft.
V8 Fettler said:
Mave said:
V8 Fettler said:
Mave said:
V8 Fettler said:
Mave said:
V8 Fettler said:
I doubt if Lockheed or similar would need Airbus SST expertise to resurrect Concorde.
Nothing is impossible (apparently)... but don't underestimate how hard it is to back-engineer the design, manufacture and operation of something as complex as Concorde without any access to the original design intent.Could Lockheed design something like Concorde from scratch? No doubt. Could Lockheed write all the necessary paperwork for something they didn't design? Much more sketchy....
Mave said:
Dr Jekyll said:
Some of the Vulcan people reckon they do have the equipment and expertise to overhaul and check one of their engines even if they aren't officially qualified to do it.
And in the history of 558 did they actually overhaul and write accompanying lifing statements?williamp said:
lufbramatt said:
I've got a compressor blade from an Olympus on my desk at work, any spares stores have long been split up.
Right! Its a start. Anyone got anything else we can use? I might have some old kerosene in the garage we could use. How far will a gallon get us?Halmyre said:
williamp said:
lufbramatt said:
I've got a compressor blade from an Olympus on my desk at work, any spares stores have long been split up.
Right! Its a start. Anyone got anything else we can use? I might have some old kerosene in the garage we could use. How far will a gallon get us?el stovey said:
Halmyre said:
williamp said:
lufbramatt said:
I've got a compressor blade from an Olympus on my desk at work, any spares stores have long been split up.
Right! Its a start. Anyone got anything else we can use? I might have some old kerosene in the garage we could use. How far will a gallon get us?JuniorD said:
el stovey said:
Halmyre said:
williamp said:
lufbramatt said:
I've got a compressor blade from an Olympus on my desk at work, any spares stores have long been split up.
Right! Its a start. Anyone got anything else we can use? I might have some old kerosene in the garage we could use. How far will a gallon get us?Gassing Station | Boats, Planes & Trains | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff