No life jackets on over-water flight - is this acceptable?
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A stewardess friend is of the opinion that they would be of next to no use in the event of a water landing.
They make the passengers feel more secure though in the knowledge they have something available if it goes wrong and it makes bodies easier to identify from the air if they are wrapped in a bright orange bit of plastic....
They make the passengers feel more secure though in the knowledge they have something available if it goes wrong and it makes bodies easier to identify from the air if they are wrapped in a bright orange bit of plastic....
S3_Graham said:
I'd hazard a guess that AA aren't stupid enough to fly an aircraft illegally.
You'd guess wrong then 
http://www.briansumers.com/home/2015/9/11/how-amer...
markmullen said:
The lifejackets supplied are crap anyway, no spray hood or crotch strap so you're unlikely to last long in one in anything like a decent sea.
In comparison my sailing lifejacket has a pair of thigh straps, a spray hood, an automatic light which sits higher in the water, SOLAS tape, a line cutter in case of entrapment, an automatic AIS beacon (admittedly less useful in an aircraft crash), a pocket containing a satellite PLB etc.
With all that lot you'd head straight for the bottom. In comparison my sailing lifejacket has a pair of thigh straps, a spray hood, an automatic light which sits higher in the water, SOLAS tape, a line cutter in case of entrapment, an automatic AIS beacon (admittedly less useful in an aircraft crash), a pocket containing a satellite PLB etc.
markmullen said:
The lifejackets supplied are crap anyway, no spray hood or crotch strap so you're unlikely to last long in one in anything like a decent sea.
In comparison my sailing lifejacket has a pair of thigh straps, a spray hood, an automatic light which sits higher in the water, SOLAS tape, a line cutter in case of entrapment, an automatic AIS beacon (admittedly less useful in an aircraft crash), a pocket containing a satellite PLB etc.
Yeah, but you haven't got a whistle In comparison my sailing lifejacket has a pair of thigh straps, a spray hood, an automatic light which sits higher in the water, SOLAS tape, a line cutter in case of entrapment, an automatic AIS beacon (admittedly less useful in an aircraft crash), a pocket containing a satellite PLB etc.
A seat cushion doesn't really fill me with much hope.
Assuming you actually end up in the drink, and alive, the most common cause of death is drowning, either from cold shock response, or due to cold incapacitation. This is when your body shuts down peripheral bits ike hands and feet, followed by arms and legs. You're a long way off severe hypothermia, but unless your flotation device can actually keep your airway out of the water, you're going to drown.
A proper lifevest will help this, by supporting your head above water. A seat cushion? No way!
Assuming you actually end up in the drink, and alive, the most common cause of death is drowning, either from cold shock response, or due to cold incapacitation. This is when your body shuts down peripheral bits ike hands and feet, followed by arms and legs. You're a long way off severe hypothermia, but unless your flotation device can actually keep your airway out of the water, you're going to drown.
A proper lifevest will help this, by supporting your head above water. A seat cushion? No way!
Here's chapter and verse.
Federal Aviation Regulations said:
§ 91.509 Survival equipment for overwater operations.
(a) No person may take off an airplane for a flight over water more than 50 nautical miles from the nearest shore unless that airplane is equipped with a life preserver or an approved flotation means for each occupant of the airplane.
(b) Except as provided in paragraph (c) of this section, no person may take off an airplane for flight over water more than 30 minutes flying time or 100 nautical miles from the nearest shore, whichever is less, unless it has on board the following survival equipment:
(1) A life preserver, equipped with an approved survivor locator light, for each occupant of the airplane.
(2) Enough liferafts (each equipped with an approved survival locator light) of a rated capacity and buoyancy to accommodate the occupants of the airplane.
(3) At least one pyrotechnic signaling device for each liferaft.
(4) One self-buoyant, water-resistant, portable emergency radio signaling device that is capable of transmission on the appropriate emergency frequency or frequencies and not dependent upon the airplane power supply.
(5) A lifeline stored in accordance with§ 25.1411(g) of this chapter.
As Miami-Nassau is a short flight, only 'a' applies. http://www.flightsimaviation.com/data/FARS/part_91...(a) No person may take off an airplane for a flight over water more than 50 nautical miles from the nearest shore unless that airplane is equipped with a life preserver or an approved flotation means for each occupant of the airplane.
(b) Except as provided in paragraph (c) of this section, no person may take off an airplane for flight over water more than 30 minutes flying time or 100 nautical miles from the nearest shore, whichever is less, unless it has on board the following survival equipment:
(1) A life preserver, equipped with an approved survivor locator light, for each occupant of the airplane.
(2) Enough liferafts (each equipped with an approved survival locator light) of a rated capacity and buoyancy to accommodate the occupants of the airplane.
(3) At least one pyrotechnic signaling device for each liferaft.
(4) One self-buoyant, water-resistant, portable emergency radio signaling device that is capable of transmission on the appropriate emergency frequency or frequencies and not dependent upon the airplane power supply.
(5) A lifeline stored in accordance with§ 25.1411(g) of this chapter.
silentbrown said:
Here's chapter and verse.
It is a one hour flight, so shirley B applies? Federal Aviation Regulations said:
§ 91.509 Survival equipment for overwater operations.
(a) No person may take off an airplane for a flight over water more than 50 nautical miles from the nearest shore unless that airplane is equipped with a life preserver or an approved flotation means for each occupant of the airplane.
(b) Except as provided in paragraph (c) of this section, no person may take off an airplane for flight over water more than 30 minutes flying time or 100 nautical miles from the nearest shore, whichever is less, unless it has on board the following survival equipment:
(1) A life preserver, equipped with an approved survivor locator light, for each occupant of the airplane.
(2) Enough liferafts (each equipped with an approved survival locator light) of a rated capacity and buoyancy to accommodate the occupants of the airplane.
(3) At least one pyrotechnic signaling device for each liferaft.
(4) One self-buoyant, water-resistant, portable emergency radio signaling device that is capable of transmission on the appropriate emergency frequency or frequencies and not dependent upon the airplane power supply.
(5) A lifeline stored in accordance with§ 25.1411(g) of this chapter.
As Miami-Nassau is a short flight, only 'a' applies. http://www.flightsimaviation.com/data/FARS/part_91...(a) No person may take off an airplane for a flight over water more than 50 nautical miles from the nearest shore unless that airplane is equipped with a life preserver or an approved flotation means for each occupant of the airplane.
(b) Except as provided in paragraph (c) of this section, no person may take off an airplane for flight over water more than 30 minutes flying time or 100 nautical miles from the nearest shore, whichever is less, unless it has on board the following survival equipment:
(1) A life preserver, equipped with an approved survivor locator light, for each occupant of the airplane.
(2) Enough liferafts (each equipped with an approved survival locator light) of a rated capacity and buoyancy to accommodate the occupants of the airplane.
(3) At least one pyrotechnic signaling device for each liferaft.
(4) One self-buoyant, water-resistant, portable emergency radio signaling device that is capable of transmission on the appropriate emergency frequency or frequencies and not dependent upon the airplane power supply.
(5) A lifeline stored in accordance with§ 25.1411(g) of this chapter.
Ayahuasca said:
It is a one hour flight, so shirley B applies?
Yes, It's an hour flight, but you're never more than 30 minutes flying time from the nearest shore. http://www.distancefromto.net/between/Miami/Nassausilentbrown said:
Ayahuasca said:
It is a one hour flight, so shirley B applies?
Yes, It's an hour flight, but you're never more than 30 minutes flying time from the nearest shore. http://www.distancefromto.net/between/Miami/NassauIt is a despicable airline.
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