FlyDubai 737-800 down in Russia
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rs4al said:
pushthebutton said:
If I had to recall the number of times the autothrottle dropped out on me I'd lose count after running out of fingers and toes. Such issues are relatively common and dealt with as a matter of course but, if they're not, you read about it for years to come.
Interesting, on what types did you get the A/T failing on you. 2000 hrs on the 738 and not one failure for me.It's more dropping out than failing on the Classics. Most of the time it re-engaged and was due to gusty weather, but occasionally it didn't. I've had the left RAD ALT failure on the 800 before it was infamous but, you're right, the 800 was more reliable.
Ahh, the classics, that explains it ! Sad accident and rip to the crew and pax.
Personally I feel the continual erosion of manual flying skills by dictat is not good, especially when flying the 73 family but it is getting so busy out there sometimes it's difficult to keep the practice up....
Personally I feel the continual erosion of manual flying skills by dictat is not good, especially when flying the 73 family but it is getting so busy out there sometimes it's difficult to keep the practice up....
Pennyroyal Tea said:
IanUAE said:
That is my local budget airline and have flown them quite a lot to Qatar and Oman. It will be interesting to see what is reported in the local press.
Nothing, I imagine...See here: https://www.rt.com/news/336514-flydubai-pilots-fat...
Escapegoat said:
Hmmm... Does the FlyDubai pilot's workload look as worrisome as RT makes it sound?
See here: https://www.rt.com/news/336514-flydubai-pilots-fat...
Yes, that's a pretty brutal roster. We are not even into the (traditionally) busier summer months. I'm flying 65 hours this month with 13 days off.See here: https://www.rt.com/news/336514-flydubai-pilots-fat...
In the past I've worked stupidly long flying days for days on end (all within the rules) and when I've looked over the flight paperwork the following day it's been absolutely littered with mistakes! Fatigue is so dangerous in aviation (obviously I don't mean bad paperwork will kill you but the other mistakes might).
But how on earth do you live a normal life with that roster?! You must get home, go to bed, get up and repeat. And then on your days off you spend them in bed recovering. I'll stick with my two weeks on, two weeks off!
But how on earth do you live a normal life with that roster?! You must get home, go to bed, get up and repeat. And then on your days off you spend them in bed recovering. I'll stick with my two weeks on, two weeks off!
red_slr said:
Try running a small business up at the crack, home for 7pm, eat something, coma and repeat - 6 days a week, sometimes 7, 50 weeks of the year.
Oh I know there are people who work far harder than pilots and I also wonder how they manage to lead a normal life. I know people who are out the door at 7 and don't get back until 9 at night, but they're generally not in a position where mistakes could cost other people their lives.red_slr said:
Try running a small business up at the crack, home for 7pm, eat something, coma and repeat - 6 days a week, sometimes 7, 50 weeks of the year.
Clearly very demanding, but it probably wouldn't be hyper critical if you did start succumbing to the effects of fatigue during the working day. Plus you probably do have the choice to simply stop if absolutely necessary. And you probably do get to fall asleep during teh hours of darkness. But when you start feeling dopey in the middle of the night, with your eyes getting blurry and your mental faculties closing down, and faced with very challenging conditions that are dead set against you, you really don't want to be the person in charge of an aircraft. mebe said:
red_slr said:
Try running a small business up at the crack, home for 7pm, eat something, coma and repeat - 6 days a week, sometimes 7, 50 weeks of the year.
There should be an award for this type of post. The "Grade A Challenge Cup"?Selling homemade fridge magnets on eBay is slightly different to operating a modern sophisticated airliner with 150 pax onboard.
red_slr said:
Try running a small business up at the crack, home for 7pm, eat something, coma and repeat - 6 days a week, sometimes 7, 50 weeks of the year.
Ahh diddums, at least you have some control over when you work ! And your office isn't at 8000' (cabin altitude), although the views do make up for it...rs4al said:
red_slr said:
Try running a small business up at the crack, home for 7pm, eat something, coma and repeat - 6 days a week, sometimes 7, 50 weeks of the year.
Ahh diddums, at least you have some control over when you work ! And your office isn't at 8000' (cabin altitude), although the views do make up for it...red_slr said:
Perhaps but they say you are more likely to be killed on your way to the airport... which kind of figures.
Not necessarily true, aviation tends to quote death per mile metric where aircraft easily win because they go at 20 times the speed of a car and you can easily get further on a single flight than you would drive in a year.On a per journey basis they are not too different.
That said in 2015 nobody flying on a civil airliner died in an accident, the two crashes that did happen were murder/terrorism.
Talksteer said:
Not necessarily true, aviation tends to quote death per mile metric where aircraft easily win because they go at 20 times the speed of a car and you can easily get further on a single flight than you would drive in a year.
On a per journey basis they are not too different.
That said in 2015 nobody flying on a civil airliner died in an accident, the two crashes that did happen were murder/terrorism.
TransAsia ATR crash was in early 2015On a per journey basis they are not too different.
That said in 2015 nobody flying on a civil airliner died in an accident, the two crashes that did happen were murder/terrorism.
Katzenjammer said:
Talksteer said:
Not necessarily true, aviation tends to quote death per mile metric where aircraft easily win because they go at 20 times the speed of a car and you can easily get further on a single flight than you would drive in a year.
On a per journey basis they are not too different.
That said in 2015 nobody flying on a civil airliner died in an accident, the two crashes that did happen were murder/terrorism.
TransAsia ATR crash was in early 2015On a per journey basis they are not too different.
That said in 2015 nobody flying on a civil airliner died in an accident, the two crashes that did happen were murder/terrorism.
The Moose said:
Katzenjammer said:
Talksteer said:
Not necessarily true, aviation tends to quote death per mile metric where aircraft easily win because they go at 20 times the speed of a car and you can easily get further on a single flight than you would drive in a year.
On a per journey basis they are not too different.
That said in 2015 nobody flying on a civil airliner died in an accident, the two crashes that did happen were murder/terrorism.
TransAsia ATR crash was in early 2015On a per journey basis they are not too different.
That said in 2015 nobody flying on a civil airliner died in an accident, the two crashes that did happen were murder/terrorism.
https://www.rt.com/news/337128-emirates-pilots-fat...
I like that it's getting some attention. The trouble with any articles like this is that you could probably survey any UK airline and get enough similar quotes from angry employees.
However, this:
I like that it's getting some attention. The trouble with any articles like this is that you could probably survey any UK airline and get enough similar quotes from angry employees.
However, this:
Article said:
Speaking to RT, a former Emirates pilot also claimed that a lack of proper monitoring by the aviation authority of Dubai exacerbates the fatigue problem.
“The aviation authority in the UAE is called General Civil Aviation Authority (GCAA) and it cannot under the government of Dubai [ensure] independent [monitoring] of these airlines,” he said.
Pilots have no higher authority to complain to and any reports that do get out are usually quickly “covered up,” according to the former pilot, who stressed that such misconduct would be impossible with European or US airlines, where independent aviation watchdogs monitor procedures.
The pilot currently employed by Emirates explained that the aviation authority is controlled by the same people who are in charge of the airline. Specifically, he pointed out that the GCAA is chaired by the same person who is the CEO of Emirates Airline & Group – Sheikh Ahmed Bin Saeed Al Maktoum.
is 'interesting'. Hypothetically, I should imagine that if a Flight Operations Safety Inspector went to the head of the XCAA, or his immediate heads of department, with genuine concerns and ideas to improve the safety culture and fatigue reporting etc, they could be dismissed without any impartiality.“The aviation authority in the UAE is called General Civil Aviation Authority (GCAA) and it cannot under the government of Dubai [ensure] independent [monitoring] of these airlines,” he said.
Pilots have no higher authority to complain to and any reports that do get out are usually quickly “covered up,” according to the former pilot, who stressed that such misconduct would be impossible with European or US airlines, where independent aviation watchdogs monitor procedures.
The pilot currently employed by Emirates explained that the aviation authority is controlled by the same people who are in charge of the airline. Specifically, he pointed out that the GCAA is chaired by the same person who is the CEO of Emirates Airline & Group – Sheikh Ahmed Bin Saeed Al Maktoum.
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