FlyDubai 737-800 down in Russia

FlyDubai 737-800 down in Russia

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JuniorD

8,624 posts

223 months

Friday 25th March 2016
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I know a shed load of people who left senior positions in Aer Lingus to go to the M-Rats. Not they types who would shy away from speaking up when things needed saying. But maybe all that money and shiny big jets all that lovely heat and sand keeps you quiet.




pushthebutton

1,097 posts

182 months

Friday 25th March 2016
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I suppose it depends how solid the platform you speak from is.

You have some derived historical status in the West and protections in employment law. The freedom of speech and protections we enjoy here doesn't extend around the World and I'd imagine those voices would be a lot quieter if their livelihood and freedom depended on it.

That all assumes that there are problems that need correcting. smile

Edited by pushthebutton on Friday 25th March 15:23

Pennyroyal Tea

26,140 posts

214 months

Friday 25th March 2016
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JuniorD said:
I know a shed load of people who left senior positions in Aer Lingus to go to the M-Rats. Not they types who would shy away from speaking up when things needed saying. But maybe all that money and shiny big jets all that lovely heat and sand keeps you quiet.
Despite there being various labour laws in place throughout the Middle Eastern countries (GCC), there is no employment law as you and I would know it; you are a slave to whatever it says, or doesn't say in your contract.

"Fine, leave", I hear you say. Well it's often not that easy to just up sticks and fly away when you've paid your year's rent in advance, paid your kids tuition fees in advance, have a wife who maybe works too and or may struggle to find equally paid work elsewhere.

Getting your passport stamped with a GCC visa is akin to handing over your soul to the devil. The term, 'white slavery' seems quite apt.

anonymous-user

54 months

Tuesday 29th March 2016
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JuniorD said:
I know a shed load of people who left senior positions in Aer Lingus to go to the M-Rats. Not they types who would shy away from speaking up when things needed saying. But maybe all that money and shiny big jets all that lovely heat and sand keeps you quiet.
the knowledge that you'll get the sack keeps you quiet. Kids in local schools, work visa dependent on your job, no similar paid jobs back home.

Who are you going to speak out to? The media? The regulator, your manager? They're all the same people. Shhhh.

Edited by el stovey on Tuesday 29th March 19:35

Sylvaforever

2,212 posts

98 months

Saturday 2nd April 2016
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pictorial from pprunne


The Moose

22,845 posts

209 months

Saturday 2nd April 2016
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Sylvaforever said:
pictorial from pprunne

What does the second graph show?

hidetheelephants

24,218 posts

193 months

Saturday 2nd April 2016
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That's from a different crash though; is there commonality with the FlyDubai crash other than both being a 737?

anonymous-user

54 months

Saturday 2nd April 2016
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hidetheelephants said:
That's from a different crash though;
hehe

Pprune strikes again

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tatarstan_Airlines_F...

Escapegoat

5,135 posts

135 months

Saturday 2nd April 2016
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The Moose said:
What does the second graph show?
The pilot's perceived flight path, it says.

anonymous-user

54 months

Saturday 2nd April 2016
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Escapegoat said:
The pilot's perceived flight path, it says.
The wiki report explains it better.

Even though it's a totally different crash obv.

Sylvaforever

2,212 posts

98 months

Sunday 3rd April 2016
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Oh ******, sorry and apologies for any confusion...

The Moose

22,845 posts

209 months

Sunday 3rd April 2016
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Escapegoat said:
The Moose said:
What does the second graph show?
The pilot's perceived flight path, it says.
Sure I can read that hehe

Is that really showing the pilot thought he was inverted?!

Chuck328

1,581 posts

167 months

Thursday 21st April 2016
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Interim report out.

12 seconds of nose down pitch trim input.

Flap auto retract overspeed protections kicking in.

Impact at over 600kph in 50 deg nose down attitude.

frown

http://mak-iac.org/upload/iblock/310/Interim%20Rep...

TheLordJohn

5,746 posts

146 months

Thursday 21st April 2016
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I understand none of that.
Apart from, the 600 KM/H bit would insinuate it wasn't a case of human error.
Does the above suggest it was a deliberate crash?

Eric Mc

121,958 posts

265 months

Thursday 21st April 2016
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It could be that in panic (it was dark, it was very blustery with reports of wind shear) someone on the flight deck pulled the wrong lever or pushed the wrong button or flicked the wrong switch.

I've said before on this particular forum that it would be nice if people tried to explain things in plain English for the benefit of all. Yakking away in jargon explains nothing to those who are willing to learn and trying to understand.

S11Steve

6,374 posts

184 months

Thursday 21st April 2016
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Chuck328 said:
Interim report out.

12 seconds of nose down pitch trim input.

Flap auto retract overspeed protections kicking in.

Impact at over 600kph in 50 deg nose down attitude.

frown

http://mak-iac.org/upload/iblock/310/Interim%20Rep...
To the non-pilots amongst us, does this read like it sounds? The pilot/co-pilot held the nose down for 12 seconds?

Also - "4295 samples of biological matter found and recovered". Grim.

essayer

9,058 posts

194 months

Thursday 21st April 2016
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All that switching between metres, kph and knots and m/s gets me muddled, not that it seems to have had any bearing on this accident but it must be confusing flying from and to Russia..

Mansells Tash

5,713 posts

206 months

Thursday 21st April 2016
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S11Steve said:
To the non-pilots amongst us, does this read like it sounds? The pilot/co-pilot held the nose down for 12 seconds?
Grim.
Someone will correct me I'm sure, but the nose down was caused (according to the interim report) by the trim being adjusted dramatically (noise on the flight recorder of the clicking or the trim adjustor being heard)...trim is (again someone will chime in if I am wrong) how you adjust the plane to behave neutrally at dead center of the stick by making small changes to the position of the rudder, elevators etc when the stick is dead centre. What I don't get is why it happened, if you wanted to plow the plane into the ground they'd have done it on the first pass or before, if they did it by accident it would be a hell of a trim correction to make and to go un noticed to get the plane to create a sustained -1g dive.

On second reading it also says there was control column input too..which you'd assume was done by a pilot, oh who knows what happened! frown



Edited by Mansells Tash on Thursday 21st April 11:27

Eric Mc

121,958 posts

265 months

Thursday 21st April 2016
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"Pitch trim input" means that the elevator itself or the elevator trim tabs were set such that the nose pitched down. What it doesn't say is whether that was a manual input from the pilot or co-pilot or whether it was the autopilot reacting to some other preprogrammed mode which had been set (perhaps) at some point earlier in the flight.

TheLordJohn

5,746 posts

146 months

Thursday 21st April 2016
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As this thread will, generally, house intelligent folk, can we all use the correct KM/H, as oppose to KPH which isn't a measurement of speed.