Good BMW M4 comparison if you have 20 mins

[300bhp/ton]

https://youtu.be/D87tO7VUs2I

[BuzzBravado]

Or if you don't have 20 mins.....


1) Performance stats are very close.

2) As part of their serious test the Camaro is better at doughnuts.

3) M4 interior is dated.......no mention of the Camaro interior.



Americans love Americana, who would have known.

[AMGJocky]

BuzzBravado said:

Or if you don't have 20 mins.....


1) Performance stats are very close.

2) As part of their serious test the Camaro is better at doughnuts.

3) M4 interior is dated.......no mention of the Camaro interior.



Americans love Americana, who would have known.

[anonymous-user]

Only the same as British mags noshing off JLR every time they release some half baked car and have it advertised in their rags.

[300bhp/ton]

BuzzBravado said:

Or if you don't have 20 mins.....


1) Performance stats are very close.

2) As part of their serious test the Camaro is better at doughnuts.

3) M4 interior is dated.......no mention of the Camaro interior.



Americans love Americana, who would have known.

Or maybe you should try watching it, as you are completely wrong and rather ignorant

[zebra]

300bhp/ton said:

BuzzBravado said:

Or if you don't have 20 mins.....



Americans love Americana, who would have known.

Or maybe you should try watching it, as you are completely wrong and rather ignorant

Or you could accept he was right.

Camaro wins hands down when reviewed by Americans shocker. No really, we did not see that coming.

[BuzzBravado]

Yes the Camaro won the head to head. But then 300 wouldn't have posted it otherwise. Which part was I wrong about?

I'd love a Camaro but nothing in that video sold it to me.

[Magic919]

BuzzBravado said:

Or if you don't have 20 mins

Americans 300 love(s) Americana, who would have known.

More like.

[Valgar]

I'd choose the Camaro for the noise alone, the M4 sounds like a washing machine from the outside and fake inside.

[MDMA .]

Watched it for 2 seconds then had to turn it off. So which was the sttest ?

[Presuming Ed]

Motor trend videos are some of the best on the web

[Presuming Ed]

Motor trend videos are some of the best on the web

[EnglishTony]

A. We heard you the first time.
B. No they aren't.
C. Whilst I am far from in love with German cars they are better than anything America produces with the possible exception of the Ford GT and even then I'm not sure the Gumpert doesn't just slightly pip it on pure yob appeal.

[300bhp/ton]

MDMA . said:

Watched it for 2 seconds then had to turn it off. So which was the sttest ?

I think you got lost, this is Piston Heads where people are meant to like cars, generally fast performance ones. If you couldn't watch a good review on two good cars, then you really are in the wrong place. And you winging about it only makes you look rather foolish.

[300bhp/ton]

zebra said:

Or you could accept he was right.

Camaro wins hands down when reviewed by Americans shocker. No really, we did not see that coming.

Did you watch it? I'm guessing not, maybe you should do yourself a favour and do so, before commenting back? Or should I stereotype you, as an arrogant Brit who thinks he is better than everyone and won't even watch a harmless video, yet has to comment on how bad it must be shocker!

[Smanks]

300bhp/ton said:

And you winging about it only makes you look rather foolish.

Oh the irony

[300bhp/ton]

EnglishTony said:

A. We heard you the first time.
B. No they aren't.
C. Whilst I am far from in love with German cars they are better than anything America produces with the possible exception of the Ford GT and even then I'm not sure the Gumpert doesn't just slightly pip it on pure yob appeal.

But Tony you don't seem to be realistic, you argued and argued that LS1's are bigger and heavier than DOHC V8's, despite photos and stats, then when 10 other people chipped in to also say you were wrong, you scarpered.

[LasseV]

zebra said:

Camaro wins hands down when reviewed by Americans shocker. No really, we did not see that coming.

This is big time bs. American motor journos has always been pro euro cars, especially motortrend. In the past they always pick m3 over american muscle, even then when there is a big price difference. However, time has changed and american cars are world class cars at the moment.

Both cars are equally good when looking objective point of view, but Camaro is subjectively much better. That is a big change cos m3 was king of steering feel, noise, luxurious interior, sophisticate ride and handling etc. Now Camaro was better car in those categories. Especially noise, steering feel and ride. Better car for sure. Besides, m4 did loose against m2 too.

Big question is, how long can BMW produce this kind of cars? Everytime when they loose somekind of group test their brand value take a hit. How long people does pay extra premium for m3/4? I personally would pick v8 Camaro/Mustang over m-car....

[zebra]

300bhp/ton said:

zebra said:

Or you could accept he was right.

Camaro wins hands down when reviewed by Americans shocker. No really, we did not see that coming.

Did you watch it? I'm guessing not, maybe you should do yourself a favour and do so, before commenting back? Or should I stereotype you, as an arrogant Brit who thinks he is better than everyone and won't even watch a harmless video, yet has to comment on how bad it must be shocker!

Yep, watched it all the way through and stand by my comments.

I see your absence from PH did not make you change your attitude to posts that disagree with yours. Polite as ever.

[300bhp/ton]

Has nothing to do with me disagreeing or not.

It's obvious from the review that one of them is a German car nut. And if you watch the rest of their programs you'll know he rarely opts for American vehicles.

So I don't see how anything is a "shocker". When it was a fair, factual and unbiased review.