St. Helena. too windy
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FourWheelDrift said:
hornetrider said:
They built the entire f
king airport before testing if the runway was feasible? Who the fk signed that off?
Who'dythunk?king airport before testing if the runway was feasible? Who the fk signed that off?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Helena_Airport...
FourWheelDrift said:
hornetrider said:
They built the entire fking airport before testing if the runway was feasible? Who the fk signed that off?
Who'dythunk?king airport before testing if the runway was feasible? Who the fk signed that off?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Helena_Airport...
el stovey said:
No it's comair,, in the same way you could book a GB airways flight in BA colours or a British Mediterranean flight in BA colours. This is comair in BA colours.
Exactly - if Comair ever has a serious accident, BA will be very quick to distance themselves from the event.Munter said:
Looks like an RAF base on Ascension about 800 miles away.
I think it's been long settled that the Americans are not going to permit it to be an alternate airport. I suppose in an absolute emergency they're coming down regardless but the nearest would be somewhere in Angola. I have friends on the island. They were looking forward to the airport opening, as it's a bugger to get to otherwise, and if the ship breaks down there's a bit of a panic about essentials (usually ketchup and marmite...).
One could comment on the need for an airstrip to serve the island. One could also comment on a useful bit of runway on the closest bit of land the uk has to the Falklands...
One could comment on the need for an airstrip to serve the island. One could also comment on a useful bit of runway on the closest bit of land the uk has to the Falklands...
Paddy_N_Murphy said:
Mr E said:
useful bit of runway on the closest bit of land the uk has to the Falklands...
Nail : Head.The overall transit time/distance will be the same as if going via Ascension and it's still too far for anything other than heavy transports to do the jump without AAR.
Inkyfingers said:
It may be slightly closer, but would it make any significant difference in use?
The overall transit time/distance will be the same as if going via Ascension and it's still too far for anything other than heavy transports to do the jump without AAR.
You are of course correct. Slightly closer, but not significantly. The overall transit time/distance will be the same as if going via Ascension and it's still too far for anything other than heavy transports to do the jump without AAR.
There better be a lot of tourists then...
el stovey said:
Jader1973 said:
el stovey said:
Eric Mc said:
Jader1973 said:
Looks like they've had one BA aircraft in during April for testing.
Commair actually.As Eric points out its Comair, a BA franchise.
In the same way Joe Blogs Inc operating a McDonalds franchise is usually known as "McDonalds" and not "Joe Blogs Inc".
Yes - it';s very confusing. Look what happened with the Manx 2 crash at Cork airport in 2011. It proved very difficult to work out who's aeroplane was actually involved in the accident - and subsequently, who was at fault.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manx2_Flight_7100
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manx2_Flight_7100
FourWheelDrift said:
hornetrider said:
They built the entire fking airport before testing if the runway was feasible? Who the fk signed that off?
Who'dythunk?king airport before testing if the runway was feasible? Who the fk signed that off?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Helena_Airport...
Eric Mc said:
Yes - it';s very confusing. Look what happened with the Manx 2 crash at Cork airport in 2011. It proved very difficult to work out who's aeroplane was actually involved in the accident - and subsequently, who was at fault.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manx2_Flight_7100
Where Comair (for example) operate BA branded flights what does it say on the booking system / ticket etc?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manx2_Flight_7100
Would it be obvious it wasn't BA? Code share flights state "operated by" but what do franchised flights say?
How widespread is it? And how do they make money - presumably having to hire/buy an aircraft and pay a franchise fee is more expensive than putting your own brand on it?
The contracts must be interesting given the franchisee is in a position to completely destroy the brand image if something goes badly wrong.
Interested because it is another layer of operators I knew nothing about.
Mattt said:
el stovey said:
Jader1973 said:
el stovey said:
Eric Mc said:
Jader1973 said:
Looks like they've had one BA aircraft in during April for testing.
Commair actually.As Eric points out its Comair, a BA franchise.
In the same way Joe Blogs Inc operating a McDonalds franchise is usually known as "McDonalds" and not "Joe Blogs Inc".
Jader1973 said:
Where Comair (for example) operate BA branded flights what does it say on the booking system / ticket etc?
Would it be obvious it wasn't BA? Code share flights state "operated by" but what do franchised flights say?
How widespread is it? And how do they make money - presumably having to hire/buy an aircraft and pay a franchise fee is more expensive than putting your own brand on it?
The contracts must be interesting given the franchisee is in a position to completely destroy the brand image if something goes badly wrong.
Interested because it is another layer of operators I knew nothing about.
If you search for BA flights to Harare for example the BA web site returns code-share flights with "Flight operated by Comair".Would it be obvious it wasn't BA? Code share flights state "operated by" but what do franchised flights say?
How widespread is it? And how do they make money - presumably having to hire/buy an aircraft and pay a franchise fee is more expensive than putting your own brand on it?
The contracts must be interesting given the franchisee is in a position to completely destroy the brand image if something goes badly wrong.
Interested because it is another layer of operators I knew nothing about.
Comair had to apologise for this, not BA:
They apparently did some test fly pasts with a Herc back in 2006. The Met Office were also involved in a wind analysis.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Chc5y7wVEAAlxnZ.jpg
Can't imagine the flying characteristics of a Hercules and a low wing commercial jet a completely comparable though!
Does anyone know if St Helena will have fuelling facilities? In anycase surely significant extra fuel will have to be carried as the nearest diversion is a long way away! Can't help with the short take offs and landings.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Chc5y7wVEAAlxnZ.jpg
Can't imagine the flying characteristics of a Hercules and a low wing commercial jet a completely comparable though!
Does anyone know if St Helena will have fuelling facilities? In anycase surely significant extra fuel will have to be carried as the nearest diversion is a long way away! Can't help with the short take offs and landings.
Notwithstanding the issue of actually getting flights to work versus the time-saving benefit of being connected by air transport; one issue seemed to be the likelihood of transporting diseases to the island as long sailing times (circa two weeks?), meant most people carrying any bug normally became ill on the boat and could be quarantined first.
gazapc said:
They apparently did some test fly pasts with a Herc back in 2006. The Met Office were also involved in a wind analysis.
Can't imagine the flying characteristics of a Hercules and a low wing commercial jet a completely comparable though!
Being of pendular wing design, and with a (relatively) low wing loading, the Hercules suffers from poor gust response at low level. That being the case it makes a rather good research tool in this arena.Can't imagine the flying characteristics of a Hercules and a low wing commercial jet a completely comparable though!
Notwithstanding the volcanic nature of the island and the limited space in which to put a runway, it does rather beg the question as to whether anyone thought about Katabatic Winds and/or Rotor Streaming.
gazapc said:
They apparently did some test fly pasts with a Herc back in 2006. The Met Office were also involved in a wind analysis.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Chc5y7wVEAAlxnZ.jpg
Can't imagine the flying characteristics of a Hercules and a low wing commercial jet a completely comparable though!
Does anyone know if St Helena will have fuelling facilities? In anycase surely significant extra fuel will have to be carried as the nearest diversion is a long way away! Can't help with the short take offs and landings.
Yes it does have fuel as my mate is running the fuel installation now.https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Chc5y7wVEAAlxnZ.jpg
Can't imagine the flying characteristics of a Hercules and a low wing commercial jet a completely comparable though!
Does anyone know if St Helena will have fuelling facilities? In anycase surely significant extra fuel will have to be carried as the nearest diversion is a long way away! Can't help with the short take offs and landings.
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