Given up with Southern Rail.
Discussion
HairyMaclary said:
Get on two wheels. Get to work earlier and come and go as you please.
It's also quite fun.
Oh and my man maths says its also cheeper.
I'm afraid I'm reasonably good at proper maths, throw in a bit of Dyspraxia and the odd of me staying alive on a motor bike do not look good!It's also quite fun.
Oh and my man maths says its also cheeper.
Why can't the franchise be revoked on performance grounds like what happened with Connex South Eastern?
For stations that are curved they could simple hire some station staff that will go down the platform and check it's all safe like they do in busy London stations.
I have to go to Brighton on Thursday and I'm now apprehensive about the journey
For stations that are curved they could simple hire some station staff that will go down the platform and check it's all safe like they do in busy London stations.
I have to go to Brighton on Thursday and I'm now apprehensive about the journey
untakenname said:
Why can't the franchise be revoked on performance grounds like what happened with Connex South Eastern?
For stations that are curved they could simple hire some station staff that will go down the platform and check it's all safe like they do in busy London stations.
I have to go to Brighton on Thursday and I'm now apprehensive about the journey
It can, it just hasn't happened yet, and being tinfoil hat about it won't. Government is on TOCs side, overruled court ruling forcing changes to go ahead. Game over for guards long term everywhere.For stations that are curved they could simple hire some station staff that will go down the platform and check it's all safe like they do in busy London stations.
I have to go to Brighton on Thursday and I'm now apprehensive about the journey
At least you can rest happy that our stupidly high fares are subsidising cheap European train travel...
RemyMartin said:
It can, it just hasn't happened yet, and being tinfoil hat about it won't. Government is on TOCs side, overruled court ruling forcing changes to go ahead. Game over for guards long term everywhere.
At least you can rest happy that our stupidly high fares are subsidising cheap European train travel...
Depressingly this is very accurate.At least you can rest happy that our stupidly high fares are subsidising cheap European train travel...
ashleyman said:
rs1952 said:
Care to explain?
Foreign railway companies run trains in the UK so therefore they are subsidising their domestic market. Is that it? If that is it, then I don't see the link. Why would they bother when they can charge whatever the market will bear wherever they operate and maximise their profits.
Do Mercedes use the profits earned in other countries (UK included) to subsidise cheap Mercs for Germans? Thought not. Heinz soup is sold all over the world - are those sales subsidising cheap time of soup in Pittsburgh? No? I didn't think that would be the case either.
Why should railways be any different?
rs1952 said:
Foreign railway companies run trains in the UK so therefore they are subsidising their domestic market.
No, foreign State railway companies run trains in the UK. This isn't Heinz or Mercedes.Thameslink are on a management contract so that they get paid a fee (almost) come what may. The fare revenue goes to the Dft so the refunds/compo which Thameslink is touting aren't coming from their pockets but ours!
The unions apparently have a similar DOO dispute ongoing with Scotrail
Dogwatch said:
rs1952 said:
Foreign railway companies run trains in the UK so therefore they are subsidising their domestic market.
No, foreign State railway companies run trains in the UK. This isn't Heinz or Mercedes.Thameslink are on a management contract so that they get paid a fee (almost) come what may. The fare revenue goes to the Dft so the refunds/compo which Thameslink is touting aren't coming from their pockets but ours!
The unions apparently have a similar DOO dispute ongoing with Scotrail
State run being the key here.
Stedman said:
legzr1 said:
Governemnt kick DfT, DfT kick regulator, regular kicks TOC, TOC kicks staff, passengers pay (in both senses), TOC take blame.
Welcome to 'privatised' railways UK Inc.
You forgot, 'passengers kick staff for not coming in on their days off'... Welcome to 'privatised' railways UK Inc.
When I was front end turns, the guy I was with was a 32years experienced driver, seen it all.
Now I simply could not believe how rude he was to passengers asking him stuff.
I'm of 2 years experience. I'm already a changed man, passengers simply leave their brains outside of stations, I've been spat at, shouted at and called lots of things.
People simply can't read a sign and board their train, its look at sign, hear announcement, disembark the train and ask me, thank me then ask another member of staff. This happens probably twice a day everyday and tbh it rankles.
Nuggets include 'is this my train?' How the f
k do I know? fk off asking me and use your brain. Might seem massively weird to an outsider but put simply you get worn down with that s
t day in day out. Now I understand why Joe was so rude 32 years of that and I'd murder someone.Problem in this country people want an updated Victorian system to work, never ever ever go wrong, cost literally almost nothing to use and be 0n time.
It's a totally unreasonable assumption, compared to mainland Europe our rail isn't that bad, its just no one here lives there and uses it day to day and therefore its perfection personified.
It's a totally unreasonable assumption, compared to mainland Europe our rail isn't that bad, its just no one here lives there and uses it day to day and therefore its perfection personified.
RemyMartin said:
Ah yes that little nugget.
When I was front end turns, the guy I was with was a 32years experienced driver, seen it all.
Now I simply could not believe how rude he was to passengers asking him stuff.
I'm of 2 years experience. I'm already a changed man, passengers simply leave their brains outside of stations, I've been spat at, shouted at and called lots of things.
People simply can't read a sign and board their train, its look at sign, hear announcement, disembark the train and ask me, thank me then ask another member of staff. This happens probably twice a day everyday and tbh it rankles.
Nuggets include 'is this my train?' How the fk do I know? fk off asking me and use your brain.
Might seem massively weird to an outsider but put simply you get worn down with that st day in day out. Now I understand why Joe was so rude 32 years of that and I'd murder someone.
There is always the option of helping the customer rather than being antagonistic. Worth trying some time.When I was front end turns, the guy I was with was a 32years experienced driver, seen it all.
Now I simply could not believe how rude he was to passengers asking him stuff.
I'm of 2 years experience. I'm already a changed man, passengers simply leave their brains outside of stations, I've been spat at, shouted at and called lots of things.
People simply can't read a sign and board their train, its look at sign, hear announcement, disembark the train and ask me, thank me then ask another member of staff. This happens probably twice a day everyday and tbh it rankles.
Nuggets include 'is this my train?' How the f
k do I know? fk off asking me and use your brain. Might seem massively weird to an outsider but put simply you get worn down with that s
t day in day out. Now I understand why Joe was so rude 32 years of that and I'd murder someone.All taxpayer's subsidy should be removed from the railways, let them sink or swim.
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