Nimitz carrier in WW11
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In a similar vein the RAF did some trials trying to intercept a Spitfire PR19 with a Lightning in the 60's as they were worried about having to engage fighters such as Mustangs that were still being flown by various air forces around the world. IIRC the IR heat seeking missiles of the time couldn't lock on to a piston engine exhaust but obviously that was 1960's tech and modern sidewinders are much more advanced. In the absence of guns on the Lightning the best tactic they could come up with was a fast pass from below and using the turbulence generated by the jet to "topple" the piston engine fighter out of the sky.
Edited by lufbramatt on Thursday 25th August 10:06
lufbramatt said:
In a similar vein the RAF did some trials trying to intercept a Spitfire PR19 with a Lightning in the 60's as they were worried about having to engage fighters such as Mustangs that were still being flown by various air forces around the world. IIRC the IR heat seeking missiles of the time couldn't lock on to a piston engine exhaust but obviously that was 1960's tech and modern sidewinders are much more advanced. In the absence of guns on the Lightning the best tactic they could come up with was a fast pass from below and using the turbulence generated by the jet to "topple" the piston engine fighter out of the sky.
Some Lightning variants had 30mm guns fitted, or could have them fitted. I'm working with some former Lightning pilots at the moment, I'll ask them about this.Edited by lufbramatt on Thursday 25th August 10:06
IanH755 said:
The F1, 1A, 2 & 2A had 2x 30mm ADEN cannons fitted internally in the nose and could be fitted with a further 2 in a gun pod that could be fitted to the underside.
The F3 & 3A removed all the cannons (internal and Pod).
The F6 only had the 2 Gun Pod cannons available.
Just looked up which Lightning it was- apparently it was XP695, an F3, with no guns The F3 & 3A removed all the cannons (internal and Pod).
The F6 only had the 2 Gun Pod cannons available.
chuntington101 said:
The only threat would be subs, as it carries no anti sub weapon systems. However the fact the ship can do 30 knots would mean that the carrier would probably need to run into the sub to be in danger.
Taking the Nimitz on her own, she carries Seahawk and Kinighthawk Helicopters. At the time of the film she would have carried S-3 Vikings (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-3_Viking). WWII subs would have been heard a long way away and killed before they knew Nimitz was even about.There was an SF novel called something like 'October the fifth is too late' based around different parts of the world suddenly switching to different time periods. So 1960s UK found WWI raging across the channel.
Instead of taking sides the UK just told them to stop fighting. Leaders of both sides where invited to a meeting, played some music from a 1914 sound system, then the same tune from a 1960s state of the art system, then asked to reflect on the fact that weapons had advanced to the same extent so they should do as they were told. A bit unfair on the occupied French and Belgians of course.
Instead of taking sides the UK just told them to stop fighting. Leaders of both sides where invited to a meeting, played some music from a 1914 sound system, then the same tune from a 1960s state of the art system, then asked to reflect on the fact that weapons had advanced to the same extent so they should do as they were told. A bit unfair on the occupied French and Belgians of course.
Dr Jekyll said:
Instead of taking sides the UK just told them to stop fighting. Leaders of both sides where invited to a meeting, played some music from a 1914 sound system, then the same tune from a 1960s state of the art system...
What a load of tosh! I'd take a squadron of Lightnings over the German trenches at Mach 1+ and 50' for starters and progress from there until they gave up or lost. In fact I might just go on and take Europe Eric Mc said:
We'll have you reciting Latin nouns in the 1st Declension before you know it
HaHa,no you won't! I had VI months off work in MMXIV due to an accident and I was beginning to go up the walls a little, so I had a crack at learning/grasping the basics of Latin: So most mornings I undertook a bit of brute force learning, writing down my declensions, conjugations and 400 or so Latin phrases in the hope something would stick. A little has, though not apparently, my grasp of Roman numerals. I used to watch Jeremy Kyle while I was doing it but maybe that's one for the Council thread!
Ray Luxury-Yacht said:
kowalski655 said:
The Last Ship is about a plague,not time travel
Its also s
t
Yeah I know, jeez Its also s
t 
And I also have to take you to task there - I think it's brilliant! Why do you say it's s
t? It's a great brain-out, boys-own adventure series with hilarious characters, stereotypical baddies, guns and huge explosions, and fit birds. What's not to like? it's not meant to be a documentary FFS!BUT.....That doesnt stop me watching it each week
Shar2 said:
I know this is all hypthetical, but modern catapults don't work the same way as those of WWII. Even up until the demise of HMS Ark Royal IV we used strops, or bridles, as they were known, attached betweent the aircraft and catapult. Modern US aircraft are fitted with a retractable bar on the nose wheel leg which fits into the catapult shuttle. So if you were to use WWII aircraft, they would have to be launched under their own power.
I'm not sure how it was achieved, but during the era of Ark Royal IV crossdecking with the US was a regular event so there must have been an engineering solution available to allow a strop-launched aircraft from a bar-attachment catapult. I don't know about the French but we crossdecked with them and they crossdecked with the US too, so clearly it wasn't an impediment.For the Lightning/Phantom versus P51 problem, Pheonix squadron commented that the 3" FFR was the least worst answer to the problem given the lack of guns.
hidetheelephants said:
I'm not sure how it was achieved, but during the era of Ark Royal IV crossdecking with the US was a regular event so there must have been an engineering solution available to allow a strop-launched aircraft from a bar-attachment catapult. I don't know about the French but we crossdecked with them and they crossdecked with the US too, so clearly it wasn't an impediment.
This picture is of F4 Phantoms on board USS Independence. The one furthest away is British:
Note the taller nose wheel for use on our shorter catapults.
Ayahuasca said:
DMN said:
Note the taller nose wheel for use on our shorter catapults.
Isn't that something to do with the Spey engines that were fitted to the RAF ones?Flooble said:
williamp said:
We are, of course assuming it will join the allied forces. What if if took on the whole world??
The UK, alone, was launching 1000-bomber raids on Germany during WW2. It built over 7000 Lancasters over the course of the war. The US built 12,000 B-17s. Then there were B-29s, B-24s, Mosquitos, Stirlings, Halifaxes ... Plus there is a limited amount of sky!
Large raids against point targets had to come in waves, against moving targets they ended up coming in waves of a squadron or less. Look at all the combat footage of aircraft attacking ships there is rarely more than two planes in shot!
It's all academic because the carrier group, will probably be able to form an alliance pretty quickly!
What strike range does a typical Air Craft carrier have with it's mix of aircraft? Enough to send an F14 into Tokyo for a precision strike at night? Surely something defense tech of the time would be incapable of preventing? A few laser guided hits on important capital buildings ought to help swing things surely?
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