Whats going on with Monarch ?
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- Monarch Airlines Ltd
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- First Aviation Ltd (ATOL Number 4888) previously trading as Monarch Airlines
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brickwall said:
Would there be a situation where the CAA could end up chartering (defunct) Monarch aircraft to get people home? It might make sense instead of re-positioning a load of planes from Qatar etc.
Can they? I don't know much about the situation but was under then impression they planes need to be licenced by somebody. brickwall said:
Would there be a situation where the CAA could end up chartering (defunct) Monarch aircraft to get people home? It might make sense instead of re-positioning a load of planes from Qatar etc.
The aircraft (and separately engines) will be leased by Monarch - not owned by them.Therefore they lose control of the assets as soon as they lose their license (and subsequently enter administration which would also terminate the license anyway) - therefore the CAA can't lease them from Monarch and have to go to a third party.
It's probably why they allowed a 24 hour extension - allowed Monarch to reposition all their planes while they still could and the appointment made early hours while everything is on the ground.
sleepezy said:
The aircraft (and separately engines) will be leased by Monarch - not owned by them.
Therefore they lose control of the assets as soon as they lose their license (and subsequently enter administration which would also terminate the license anyway) - therefore the CAA can't lease them from Monarch and have to go to a third party.
It's probably why they allowed a 24 hour extension - allowed Monarch to reposition all their planes while they still could and the appointment made early hours while everything is on the ground.
Also allowed the CAA to get Qatar planes on their way.Therefore they lose control of the assets as soon as they lose their license (and subsequently enter administration which would also terminate the license anyway) - therefore the CAA can't lease them from Monarch and have to go to a third party.
It's probably why they allowed a 24 hour extension - allowed Monarch to reposition all their planes while they still could and the appointment made early hours while everything is on the ground.
brickwall said:
Would there be a situation where the CAA could end up chartering (defunct) Monarch aircraft to get people home? It might make sense instead of re-positioning a load of planes from Qatar etc.
I may have misheard but on R5 they seemed to be suggesting that a lot of Qatar planes were sat around in the UKmdoing nothing because of the flight restrictions imposed on them by the Saudis....
According to the reports I've read "highly competitive" and "over-subscribed" European routes were a contributory factor. Now, I'm no expert, but why (from my observations) were so many of Monarch's routes duplicates of routes already being offered by other airlines? I live about 20 minutes' drive from LBA but often have to go to MAN to access desired European destinations. When Monarch rocked up at LBA a few years ago I was delighted by the prospect of some new destinations, but instead almost all their flights were going to places that were already covered by Jet2 and Ryanair. Surely filling the gaps would have been a better idea.
Have to say, on the face of it the CAA response is quite impressive. No delay in getting on with it, clear concise website set up, new flights organised (out of curiosity I checked the website and several were running at literally identical times to the original Monarch flights), no quibble about cost.
Shipping home 100,000+ people can't be easy though.
Shipping home 100,000+ people can't be easy though.
gazapc said:
Have to say, on the face of it the CAA response is quite impressive. No delay in getting on with it, clear concise website set up, new flights organised (out of curiosity I checked the website and several were running at literally identical times to the original Monarch flights), no quibble about cost.
Shipping home 100,000+ people can't be easy though.
Agree, they’ve done very well and the R4 interview with the CAA exec(?) while a bit stumbling was from a good position. The “stranded” line was well and truly rebuffed.Shipping home 100,000+ people can't be easy though.
What next, nationalised airlines? Don’t tell Corbyn
David87 said:
Sad news, and I hope all of the staff find new roles without too much trouble. Seems like Ryanair could do with a few more pilots - how long does it take to switch from A320 to B737?
I think it’s more likely monarch crews will go to Qatar or Emirates or maybe Norwegian. A Monarch pilot will have bills and a mortgage etc that needs a decent salary. If they go to Ryanair they have to pay for their training and live wherever Ryanair base them. Pilots pretty much never leave an airline to go to Ryanair. Most Ryanair recruits are newly qualified and lack experience to go anywhere else.
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