Whats going on with Monarch ?

[Simpo Two]

el stovey said:

I think that's very unlikely.

If they can't run a small company how do they plan to run a big one?

Maybe a staff morale thing.

[IforB]

wjwren said:

My gf is doing 737 training soon so I guess the orders must be real. They plan to go soley onto Boeing. Also an internal email going round saying they want to get back into longhaul using Dreamliners.

Errr. No there isn't. Or if it is, it's not an official one.

The only likelyhood of that ever happening is if Monarch is bought by someone who wants that to happen. There is no current business plan to use the 78. There was a few years ago, but that went away a long time ago.

[wjwren]

I think it's their long term goal to get back into longhaul.

[V8A*ndy]

wjwren said:

I think it's their long term goal to get back into longhaul.

That DC10 they had back in the 90's was a right bucket

Had some laughs on that.

[IforB]

wjwren said:

I think it's their long term goal to get back into longhaul.

I can assure you that I would know if it was or not. It was briefly considered earlier this year but disregarded almost immediately.

New owners might have a different view, but the current business plan has no long-haul in it at all.

[Robertj21a]

Is it largely down to reduced numbers flying, poor margins, poor routes ?

[steve-5snwi]

I would rate Ryanair above Monarch, the only saving grace for Monarch is you can understand the staff although sometimes you get the odd grump crew member. But I would only fly 2.5 hours on them as they are so uncomfortable.

[IforB]

Robertj21a said:

Is it largely down to reduced numbers flying, poor margins, poor routes ?

This year has been very painful for the whole industry. Especially those that rely on the holiday market. The loss of Sharm El-Sheik as a destination, the collapse of Turkey and the rest of North Africa has meant everyone has focussed on Spain and the Canaries, so yields have fallen massively as there is an over capacity on these routes.

Then add in some increased costs thanks to Brexit stuffing up the GBP/USD excahnge rate, then it's just been a bad year and there just isn't the cash available as needed.

[Robertj21a]

IforB said:

This year has been very painful for the whole industry. Especially those that rely on the holiday market. The loss of Sharm El-Sheik as a destination, the collapse of Turkey and the rest of North Africa has meant everyone has focussed on Spain and the Canaries, so yields have fallen massively as there is an over capacity on these routes.

Then add in some increased costs thanks to Brexit stuffing up the GBP/USD excahnge rate, then it's just been a bad year and there just isn't the cash available as needed.

Thanks for that, most interesting. As a slight aside, have bookings for the Greek islands also been adversely affected by concerns over migrants etc ?

[Simpo Two]

IforB said:

Then add in some increased costs thanks to Brexit stuffing up the GBP/USD excahnge rate

But equally encouraging foreigners to fly to Britain.

[IforB]

Simpo Two said:

But equally encouraging foreigners to fly to Britain.

It hasn't worked out like that at all.

From the perspective of our industry, Brexit has been very unwelcome indeed.

[IforB]

Robertj21a said:

Thanks for that, most interesting. As a slight aside, have bookings for the Greek islands also been adversely affected by concerns over migrants etc ?

Bookings for Greece are very much down this year, whether that's more to do with the economic turmoil in Greece or fears of finding dead refugees on the beach isn't completely clear, but it is down compared to normal.

[Wobbegong]

V8A*ndy said:

That DC10 they had back in the 90's was a right bucket

Had some laughs on that.

I remember flying on that

I miss the old livery

[J4CKO]

steve-5snwi said:

I would rate Ryanair above Monarch, the only saving grace for Monarch is you can understand the staff although sometimes you get the odd grump crew member. But I would only fly 2.5 hours on them as they are so uncomfortable.

They are a holiday airline, people want cheap package holidays, the only way that. can work is by maximising the numbers on each flight, hence the discomfort, my last Monarch flight was about 2010 and it was a bit like hard work, Turkey so over four hours, I am just over six foot and my knees were pressed into the seat in front, made worse as the wire for the magazine pocket was twisted, didn't help that I was bloated and sunburnt from a weeks all inclusive, plus there was a bloke scratching himself raw next to me, excruciating but safe and in time, you get what you pay for, was two grand for five of us, paid that near enough for my last flight to Atalnta on Virgin, 1700 or so, only in premium.

[anonymous-user]

Wobbegong said:

V8A*ndy said:

That DC10 they had back in the 90's was a right bucket

Had some laughs on that.

I remember flying on that

I miss the old livery

The Monarch DC10 was affectionately known by crew as the "death jet"

Monarch also had one of the oldest 757s in service. Boeing used to come over and check it out to see how it was holding up.

[Composite Guru]

el stovey said:

Wobbegong said:

V8A*ndy said:

That DC10 they had back in the 90's was a right bucket

Had some laughs on that.

I remember flying on that

I miss the old livery

The Monarch DC10 was affectionately known by crew as the "death jet"

Monarch also had one of the oldest 757s in service. Boeing used to come over and check it out to see how it was holding up.

I remember doing a rear engine change on that thing. Used some rickety scaffolding thing to get up to it to get it unhooked. Lowering an engine from that height was quite unnerving.

[V8A*ndy]

Composite Guru said:

el stovey said:

Wobbegong said:

V8A*ndy said:

That DC10 they had back in the 90's was a right bucket

Had some laughs on that.

I remember flying on that

I miss the old livery

The Monarch DC10 was affectionately known by crew as the "death jet"

Monarch also had one of the oldest 757s in service. Boeing used to come over and check it out to see how it was holding up.

I remember doing a rear engine change on that thing. Used some rickety scaffolding thing to get up to it to get it unhooked. Lowering an engine from that height was quite unnerving.

Why did the nose cone always look like it had been flown through a sand storm? I experienced really bad turbulence once on that plane and the creaking noises in the cabin were just awful.

Loved the old girl though and the crew used to take some abuse on the Caribbean hauls. Seriously, some craic was had.

[mybrainhurts]

steve-5snwi said:

I would rate Ryanair above Monarch,

....you mean the Ryanair that abandoned my son on Corfu two years ago? Cancelled the flight and told passengers to make their own way home? That Ryanair?

I know a lot of people who regularly fly Monarch and not one of them has a bad word to say about them.

[Eric Mc]

Composite Guru said:

I remember doing a rear engine change on that thing. Used some rickety scaffolding thing to get up to it to get it unhooked. Lowering an engine from that height was quite unnerving.

I presume you are referring to the DC-10 and not the 757

[mybrainhurts]

Eric Mc said:

Composite Guru said:

I remember doing a rear engine change on that thing. Used some rickety scaffolding thing to get up to it to get it unhooked. Lowering an engine from that height was quite unnerving.

I presume you are referring to the DC-10 and not the 757

I think you're right Eric. The 757 doesn't have a rear engine, unless it's been cunningly concealed...