Female Easyjet captain at 26
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wilfandrowlf said:
xjay1337 said:
Sheepshanks said:
I've flown planes and helicopters on corporate fun days - it didn't seem that hard. 
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I also landed a simulator of something or other at Hong Kong's old airport and at another airport. I did crash at another one though. Still, two out three ain't bad!
Eric Mc said:
Exactly. 26 is most definitely not too young to assume command.
We seem to assume that anybody under the age of 30 is an irresponsible idiot these days.
Well done to her.
Perhaps a generation of special snowflakes, having been told that they are all special find the real world doesn't necessarily agree. Maybe the young lady in the OP is indeed the exception.We seem to assume that anybody under the age of 30 is an irresponsible idiot these days.
Well done to her.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/sep/22/yo...
Sheepshanks said:
SystemParanoia said:
where does an ( assuming 3 years training ) 23yr old get their hands on £50-100k ?
i couldn't even get finance on a flippin Kia Picanto at that age
She started at 19. The lad featured in the article started at 18 and qualified after 18 months.i couldn't even get finance on a flippin Kia Picanto at that age
Presumably their parents pay. The son of some friends of ours did it but the cost was subsidised by the airline and his was £30K which they provided. Not a big deal for many people.
There was another very young first officer in our local news recently - from the same neck of the woods as this girl IIRC - and his parents had paid the £100K.
also another route was to go train in South Africa which halved the cost.
I worked with somebody who borrowed 25k quit the job and apparently had a job lined up back in the uk if he passed city hopping on a twin engine plane ( that's what he told me could be b
ks but it seemed genuine) Edited by Pesty on Wednesday 28th September 03:32
vetrof said:
Perhaps a generation of special snowflakes, having been told that they are all special find the real world doesn't necessarily agree. Maybe the young lady in the OP is indeed the exception.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/sep/22/yo...
I think it's the youngsters who have been failed rather than the youngsters failing themselves.https://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/sep/22/yo...
Hopefully she is an example to many young people as to what can be achieved.
4 pages and no one's asked whether they made her captain because she can't navigate? :-)
More seriously though, good on her. And the points made about age of commanders in war time are valid too. It's only in Hollywood that commanders are grizzled old men - John Wayne in The Green Berets and D Day, Sean Connery in A Bridge Too Far etc etc
More seriously though, good on her. And the points made about age of commanders in war time are valid too. It's only in Hollywood that commanders are grizzled old men - John Wayne in The Green Berets and D Day, Sean Connery in A Bridge Too Far etc etc
Spoof said:
Not really.
Correct but she would take a demotion and a pay cut of around 40-50% and back at the bottom of the seniority list.It is probably one of the only careers where you can't transfer your position to another company, yes there are sometimes direct entry commands but very rarely in the decent UK airlines.
rs4al said:
Correct but she would take a demotion and a pay cut of around 40-50% and back at the bottom of the seniority list.
It is probably one of the only careers where you can't transfer your position to another company, yes there are sometimes direct entry commands but very rarely in the decent UK airlines.
I've seen plenty of people do it . . . It is probably one of the only careers where you can't transfer your position to another company, yes there are sometimes direct entry commands but very rarely in the decent UK airlines.
Ive been flying around in a IL76 for the past week or so. Big jet 4 engined Ukraine cargo aircraft. Pilot on it is 22 years old. Infact he looks 16 but he has been putting this plane down in some pretty hairy airfields which are on the limit of runway length with the cargo weight we are carrying.
Eric Mc said:
We live in an era where "arrested development" is the norm. Achieving something at the age of 26 now is the equivalent of achieving the same thing at around 20 40 years ago.
I qualified as an accountant at the age of 22 in 1980. That's because I trained under the old "Articled Clerk" system where training offices took on "trainees" straight out of A Level College (or the Irish equivalent in my case).
The vast bulk of people who qualify as accountants are approaching 30 these days. This is chiefly because of the intervening 4 to 5 years they spend at university which means that they are older when they start training for the job they want due to the delayed start.
Note I am not saying going to university is a waste of time. Far from it. I'd have loved to have gone to uni. However, it does mean that people do start professional training at an older age.
I did something similar Eric, albeit much more recently- joined a firm of accountants straight after A-levels in 2003 rather than going to uni, and qualified in my early 20's.I qualified as an accountant at the age of 22 in 1980. That's because I trained under the old "Articled Clerk" system where training offices took on "trainees" straight out of A Level College (or the Irish equivalent in my case).
The vast bulk of people who qualify as accountants are approaching 30 these days. This is chiefly because of the intervening 4 to 5 years they spend at university which means that they are older when they start training for the job they want due to the delayed start.
Note I am not saying going to university is a waste of time. Far from it. I'd have loved to have gone to uni. However, it does mean that people do start professional training at an older age.
Over the following 6-7 years we had several uni-graduates join us as trainees- all of whom were 3-4 years older than me. In fact it was only a couple of years ago at 29 that we took on another A-level leaver, and I was no longer the youngest member of staff- eleven years after joining the firm!
It's also interesting that in our experience, we've had significantly better luck with the trainees who have joined straight from A-levels than we have with the uni-graduates.
Also, to touch back on the point about commanding aircrew in WW2, I was under the impression the average age of bomber pilots (and thus in command of the aircraft) were around 19-22. Obviously the needs of that particular time/situation necessitated far quicker training and in far greater numbers than is comparable to today's commercial aircraft industry, but it does surprise me that we'd not have more captains in their mid 20's today.
Squirrelofwoe said:
It's also interesting that in our experience, we've had significantly better luck with the trainees who have joined straight from A-levels than we have with the uni-graduates.
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I'm sure many employers can confirm that Uni graduates are rarely the best choice, for a good many jobs..
Squirrelofwoe said:
I did something similar Eric, albeit much more recently- joined a firm of accountants straight after A-levels in 2003 rather than going to uni, and qualified in my early 20's.
Over the following 6-7 years we had several uni-graduates join us as trainees- all of whom were 3-4 years older than me. In fact it was only a couple of years ago at 29 that we took on another A-level leaver, and I was no longer the youngest member of staff- eleven years after joining the firm!
It's also interesting that in our experience, we've had significantly better luck with the trainees who have joined straight from A-levels than we have with the uni-graduates.
Also, to touch back on the point about commanding aircrew in WW2, I was under the impression the average age of bomber pilots (and thus in command of the aircraft) were around 19-22. Obviously the needs of that particular time/situation necessitated far quicker training and in far greater numbers than is comparable to today's commercial aircraft industry, but it does surprise me that we'd not have more captains in their mid 20's today.
The question has to be asked though, do you have seniority over the graduates :-)Over the following 6-7 years we had several uni-graduates join us as trainees- all of whom were 3-4 years older than me. In fact it was only a couple of years ago at 29 that we took on another A-level leaver, and I was no longer the youngest member of staff- eleven years after joining the firm!
It's also interesting that in our experience, we've had significantly better luck with the trainees who have joined straight from A-levels than we have with the uni-graduates.
Also, to touch back on the point about commanding aircrew in WW2, I was under the impression the average age of bomber pilots (and thus in command of the aircraft) were around 19-22. Obviously the needs of that particular time/situation necessitated far quicker training and in far greater numbers than is comparable to today's commercial aircraft industry, but it does surprise me that we'd not have more captains in their mid 20's today.
There is a difference in wartime in that it didn't matter quite so much if the captain stuffed the aircraft into a hedge - not only were there 1000s more rolling off the production line but the chances are it wouldn't have lasted much longer anyway. Plus I rather imagine it was possible to "get away" with a lot more during that period, these days ATC will have a hissy fit if you don't taxi down the centreline (well, okay, slightly to one side to avoid bouncing the nosewheel off the lights).
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