Metroliner Crash Malta

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Eric Mc

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Monday 24th October 2016
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Looks like a Fairchild Metroliner has crashed in Malta - five fatalities.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/oct/24/plan...

Oakey

27,523 posts

215 months

Monday 24th October 2016
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That doesn't seem the least bit suspicious does it? Part of a surveillance operation tracing human trafficking routes.

Eric Mc

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Monday 24th October 2016
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I sometimes wonder if the Metro and Merlin family of aircraft are that forgiving to fly. They do seem to feature in an inordinate number of accidents considering that they weren't built in enormous numbers.

hornetrider

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204 months

Monday 24th October 2016
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It seems there is dashcam footage of the crash on the Mail website. My eyes may be deceiving me but it looks like it goes down inverted, almost in the process of performing a barrel roll.

Trevatanus

11,109 posts

149 months

Monday 24th October 2016
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hornetrider said:
It seems there is dashcam footage of the crash on the Mail website. My eyes may be deceiving me but it looks like it goes down inverted, almost in the process of performing a barrel roll.
Just watched in Youtube.
Definitely rolled.

Eric Mc

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Monday 24th October 2016
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Loss of power on the port engine I bet.

J4CKO

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199 months

Monday 24th October 2016
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Terrible, it put me in mind of this crash, different type though.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Midwest_Flight_5...


Eric Mc

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Monday 24th October 2016
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That was a loading issue.

red_slr

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188 months

Monday 24th October 2016
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Pretty sure that aircraft has had a very interesting life, shall we say..
Wonder if there was some kind of failure on the control surfaces? Good airspeed just attitude was all kaput.

Eric Mc

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Monday 24th October 2016
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It reminded me of that ATR crash in Taiwan not so long ago.

ecsrobin

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164 months

Monday 24th October 2016
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Oakey said:
That doesn't seem the least bit suspicious does it? Part of a surveillance operation tracing human trafficking routes.
Quite routine. http://frontex.europa.eu

red_slr

17,122 posts

188 months

Monday 24th October 2016
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ecsrobin said:
Oakey said:
That doesn't seem the least bit suspicious does it? Part of a surveillance operation tracing human trafficking routes.
Quite routine. http://frontex.europa.eu
They have denied AFAIK

ecsrobin

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Monday 24th October 2016
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red_slr said:
ecsrobin said:
Oakey said:
That doesn't seem the least bit suspicious does it? Part of a surveillance operation tracing human trafficking routes.
Quite routine. http://frontex.europa.eu
They have denied AFAIK
It seems so. Looks like a sneaky beaky French trip overseas.

anonymous-user

53 months

Monday 24th October 2016
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something to do with libya being reported, clandestine.

Edited by The Spruce goose on Monday 24th October 20:19

red_slr

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188 months

Monday 24th October 2016
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Stars on the wall, probably.
Best left at that I guess.

J4CKO

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199 months

Tuesday 25th October 2016
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Eric Mc said:
That was a loading issue.
Yeah, I meant it was a twin that went up and came down pretty much straight after take off, seem to remember that it was weight with a maintenance issue with control cables that only showed up when the plane was heavily loaded, not speculating about this one.

Eric Mc

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Tuesday 25th October 2016
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The Beech 1900 also has a T Tail - which is pretty unforgiving if you get into a high nose up deep stall situation.

yellowjack

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165 months

Tuesday 25th October 2016
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Wasn't it one of these 'planes that flipped upside down landing in Ireland some years ago? Trying to go around in fog or something. Not speculating about this crash, just something that I saw on one of those over-egged air crash docudramas once upon a time.

OK. So now this is speculating. The one I'm remembering (if correct) flipped over on landing. This one in Malta seems to have gone onto it's back at takeoff. Anything inherently unstable about the design of this aeroplane? Or is it just a coincidence, and neither crash has anything to do with stability problems with this particular design?

Eric Mc

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Tuesday 25th October 2016
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It definitely was a Metroliner that crashed at Cork airport back in 2011.

Also, when I was flying out of La Palma airport in Majorca back in 2009, lying upside down in the grass, partially burned out, was another Metroliner. This one crashed and burned in 2002 -



I was amazed that the authorities hadn't cleared it away - even after six years.

FuzzyLogic

1,636 posts

237 months

Thursday 27th October 2016
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yellowjack said:
Or is it just a coincidence, and neither crash has anything to do with stability problems with this particular design?
You should have a read of the accident report for the Cork accident.. Lets just say there was a lot of other factors involved over and above the aircraft!