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1155hp at the wheels, 1320hp estimated at the engine, that's not bad from a forged LSA.
Same spec as what I have now, wonder how much it would cost to swap my blower for a TT setup? Evil thoughts!!!
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
Same spec as what I have now, wonder how much it would cost to swap my blower for a TT setup? Evil thoughts!!!
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
Janosh said:
That must be savage, yet the owner says it's docile enough and is used as a DD!
I'd be very worried about longevity at that level, but probably ok if your annual mileage is to the MOT centre and back limited 
And how often do you think it actually gets run at that level ? Probably very very little time simply for practical reasons.I'd be very worried about longevity at that level, but probably ok if your annual mileage is
It will never get traction on the road to push that power often, and given the speeds it would accrue it would need autobahns etc.
At the drag strip, yes you could get all the power down, or at other similar venues.
So actual load placed on the engine, most of the time wont always be as insane as the potential power it can make might appear.
So there really is no reason why such an engine for I'm sure 98% of people would not live a happy and long life, even more so if it is a daily driver.
If it's raced hard and abused, of course it may require more looking after and checks. But build it right, tune it right and it should give good service.
As for cost to change....depends how pedantic you want to be, or who is doing the work etc etc and of course parts.
Turbos these days can range from very cheap, to very expensive. You can choose to go all fancy with tubular manifolds ( £££ ) or keep it simple and just use cast type manifolds.
But for most part a turbo setup can be built on a very modest budget these days if you plan it properly.
but for anything fast that actually gets used, I would always say use a proper management system. It's all very well trying to retain the factory ecu...but for such builds it is always a big compromise.
And you would definitely lose a ton of performance at lower rpm's compared to your blower.
Edited by stevieturbo on Thursday 8th December 17:12
Hey guys! Figured I'd add a few comments in regards to the setup. The car gets driven hard and daily driven. I live two minutes from the nearest autobahn so take a guess how I go to work 
. As far as longevity, I'm sure it won't live at 1300hp as long as it would at let's say 600. That's just the name of the game but truth be told, I've see plenty of 500hp cars blow the engine with under 10K miles. A lot has to do with mapping. So far so good with no major issues.
I've driven the car from the moment I finished the kit install in April until now. Even made a trip up to the U.K. With the car being on the road less than a month. It is parked now because I pulled the trans to send it in for an upgrade. It drives with better manners than when I had the 2.3 blower and a bit more quiet. The TR6060 looks brand new inside from what I saw today. I should be bringing the car up to Santa Pod for the fast show in April if anyone is curious.
As far as traction, it hooks surprisingly well with R888s. The tires aren't shocked from the initial hit of torque like it did with the supercharger so power is more manageable if you ask me. Kind of like a poor man's traction control. Of course it will break the tires loose at 100mph if you want It to, but the boost control helps with that as well. It wasn't cheap, and most people who are trying to get the most out of their blower setup are going to spend a bit of coin anyways on aftermarket heads etc. After that you'd be surprised how close the costs are compared to a pair of twins.
Here's a link to some videos:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHN3U0Ju90zcM5n4K...
. As far as longevity, I'm sure it won't live at 1300hp as long as it would at let's say 600. That's just the name of the game but truth be told, I've see plenty of 500hp cars blow the engine with under 10K miles. A lot has to do with mapping. So far so good with no major issues.I've driven the car from the moment I finished the kit install in April until now. Even made a trip up to the U.K. With the car being on the road less than a month. It is parked now because I pulled the trans to send it in for an upgrade. It drives with better manners than when I had the 2.3 blower and a bit more quiet. The TR6060 looks brand new inside from what I saw today. I should be bringing the car up to Santa Pod for the fast show in April if anyone is curious.
As far as traction, it hooks surprisingly well with R888s. The tires aren't shocked from the initial hit of torque like it did with the supercharger so power is more manageable if you ask me. Kind of like a poor man's traction control
. Of course it will break the tires loose at 100mph if you want It to, but the boost control helps with that as well. It wasn't cheap, and most people who are trying to get the most out of their blower setup are going to spend a bit of coin anyways on aftermarket heads etc. After that you'd be surprised how close the costs are compared to a pair of twins.Here's a link to some videos:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHN3U0Ju90zcM5n4K...
Edited by minime68 on Thursday 8th December 19:46
It'll certainly be interesting to see how it does at the Pod
This CTSV popped up on Tech just a few days ago. It is a drag focused build...but all the same, still manual, still pretty heavy etc so not the full blown drag autos you see everywhere running fast times.
Superb 60ft and superb time and all the more from a 5.3 ! 9.25 at 154mph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g28eQAglDK0
This CTSV popped up on Tech just a few days ago. It is a drag focused build...but all the same, still manual, still pretty heavy etc so not the full blown drag autos you see everywhere running fast times.
Superb 60ft and superb time and all the more from a 5.3 ! 9.25 at 154mph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g28eQAglDK0
stevieturbo said:
It'll certainly be interesting to see how it does at the Pod
This CTSV popped up on Tech just a few days ago. It is a drag focused build...but all the same, still manual, still pretty heavy etc so not the full blown drag autos you see everywhere running fast times.
Superb 60ft and superb time and all the more from a 5.3 ! 9.25 at 154mph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g28eQAglDK0
Yup that's Rj we talk on the regular looking for ways to make these boats faster. He is at 3900lbs. I'm not running a 15" tire setup like he is so the 60ft might not be there but I'm hoping to crack the 9s.This CTSV popped up on Tech just a few days ago. It is a drag focused build...but all the same, still manual, still pretty heavy etc so not the full blown drag autos you see everywhere running fast times.
Superb 60ft and superb time and all the more from a 5.3 ! 9.25 at 154mph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g28eQAglDK0
minime68 said:
Cam is 230/244 .592/.595 118 LSA. It's still the same cam I ran with the blower. Motor is 10:1 compression.
Interesting, got this spec lined up for fitting soon "231/248 .617"/.595" 120+5". SC and T cams should always be specced with low overlap,so one should work with the other.Edited by minime68 on Thursday 8th December 20:42
ArnieVXR said:
Never enjoyed driving my car hard as it was far too much of a handful. Maybe the torque converter didn't help. Also probably easier to keep the boost under control with no kick-down.
Great result, especially with that compression ratio! Guess there's some ethanol involved?
Running E60,been looking at large tanks of meth myself....Great result, especially with that compression ratio! Guess there's some ethanol involved?
ArnieVXR said:
Never enjoyed driving my car hard as it was far too much of a handful. Maybe the torque converter didn't help. Also probably easier to keep the boost under control with no kick-down.
Great result, especially with that compression ratio! Guess there's some ethanol involved?
The car is not as violent initially as with the blower so that helps with traction. I think I boost it almost daily just on the drive to work..too much fun Great result, especially with that compression ratio! Guess there's some ethanol involved?
.As far as fuel, I run an ethanol mixture during the weekends and pump fuel otherwise. I'd guess it is making near 1000 to the wheel with pump+ meth.
stevieturbo said:
Is ethanol available at the pumps there, or are you mixing that yourself somehow ?
E60 seems like an uncommon mix ?
Although ethanol anything isnt available here, ffs I only get 97RON here although it's quite fine 99% of the time
They stopped carrying it at the pumps here on 1 January after the tax exemption expired and wasn't extended. So ethanol in Germany costs the same if not more than regular fuel. Consumers are not going to flock to it considering it is less efficient than gasoline.E60 seems like an uncommon mix ?
Although ethanol anything isnt available here, ffs I only get 97RON here although it's quite fine 99% of the time
Lucky for me, they still have Ethanol at the pumps in France (which I live 25 minutes from). I drive over and fill up for .79 euro cents a litre. A few canisters come back with me and I store it at home for the impromptu fill ups. It is advertised as E85 but the ethanol analyzer typically reads anywhere between 58-65% ethanol.
You can also order 96% ethanol online here for about 1.30 euro cents a litre delivered to your doorstep, but it is much cheaper for me to just drive and get it at half the price.
I am going to place an order for 150 litres delivered to a friend's home in the UK for my trip to the Pod in March. Much more expensive there but I'll only be there for a weekend.
When not running ethanol, I run 98 Ron+100% meth. I can run 15-17 psi and cut back on the timing some with no knock.
minime68 said:
They stopped carrying it at the pumps here on 1 January after the tax exemption expired and wasn't extended. So ethanol in Germany costs the same if not more than regular fuel. Consumers are not going to flock to it considering it is less efficient than gasoline.
Lucky for me, they still have Ethanol at the pumps in France (which I live 25 minutes from). I drive over and fill up for .79 euro cents a litre. A few canisters come back with me and I store it at home for the impromptu fill ups. It is advertised as E85 but the ethanol analyzer typically reads anywhere between 58-65% ethanol.
You can also order 96% ethanol online here for about 1.30 euro cents a litre delivered to your doorstep, but it is much cheaper for me to just drive and get it at half the price.
I am going to place an order for 150 litres delivered to a friend's home in the UK for my trip to the Pod in March. Much more expensive there but I'll only be there for a weekend.
When not running ethanol, I run 98 Ron+100% meth. I can run 15-17 psi and cut back on the timing some with no knock.
Thats very cheap !. The actual percentage...harder to say. The flex fuel sensors seem to be a little inaccurate in some regards. I seen a guy posting on another forum about proper race VP E85 he bought, yet his flex fuel was telling him it was only around 65%Lucky for me, they still have Ethanol at the pumps in France (which I live 25 minutes from). I drive over and fill up for .79 euro cents a litre. A few canisters come back with me and I store it at home for the impromptu fill ups. It is advertised as E85 but the ethanol analyzer typically reads anywhere between 58-65% ethanol.
You can also order 96% ethanol online here for about 1.30 euro cents a litre delivered to your doorstep, but it is much cheaper for me to just drive and get it at half the price.
I am going to place an order for 150 litres delivered to a friend's home in the UK for my trip to the Pod in March. Much more expensive there but I'll only be there for a weekend.
When not running ethanol, I run 98 Ron+100% meth. I can run 15-17 psi and cut back on the timing some with no knock.
Some of the yanks buy proper testing kits very cheap which seem to be more reliable.
I've seen places offer E100 for sale, for heating burners etc...no idea if all ethanols are the same though.
For me not worth the hassle experimenting with stuff like that. Pump+meth has worked for me for a long time even at silly boost.
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